Interesting Stat on Fulmer compared to...

[GAVol]

Originally posted by rockydoc@Oct 25, 2005 12:08 AM
Yes, and it was a"W"!!!

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Yeah, I know, but it was still surreal to watch. Not arguing with the results though.

 

[vols2345]

I think we still got plenty of years left with Fulmer. I just think he needs to seriously sit down and say 106th scoring offense just isnt good enough and execution is not the only reason for it not working. Some one needs to lose there job after this. I dont care who. the qb coach and the wide recivers coach.

 

[patrick]

You wont hear that on the sports animal. They carry the banner for fulmer and his coaches

 

[bigdaddy]

Originally posted by vol_freak@Oct 24, 2005 11:01 PM
He is in a bad slump right now, I won't argue with that. I think the staff did a good job in 2001 and last year considering they had two freshman qb's. Fulmer definitely needs to evaluate the offense and special teams play but I don't think you talk about getting rid of him. First of all, he is a Tennessee boy and he is one of the few coaches who can recruit in a state with no talent. I am not happy with the job he is doing right now but you can't go replacing coaches that win 80% of their games. It sets you up for failure. Look at Nebraska. That's just my opinion.

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Great freakin point about Nebraska. It took Tom Osborne 21 years to run off his NC title run or 3 out of 4 years. He had a great winning percentage and in the end, formulated a great coaching staff that bought into his coaching style and they were unstoppable. You got a a good coach here that is struggling this year and a few in the past. Let him have a chance to make some changes and see what he can do when things are tough. Oh, by the way Osborne's final win percentage was .836. Actually, HE is the only HC I would welcome here with open arms if Fulmer were to leave.

 

[donsargegolf]

Originally posted by GAVol@Oct 24, 2005 10:14 PM
I'll never forget the day that we got a lead and proceeded to handoff to William Howard 13 consecutive times!?!

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He won that game, in Nashville!

 

[statman]

Originally posted by RammerJammer84@Oct 24, 2005 10:29 PM
I am a Bama Fan.... I do agree that what Bama's booster did was totally wrong. I believe he was trying to help Bama gain an edge. However, my problem with Fulmer is that he was a secret witness. An example of a true man would be Spurrier when he wrote a letter to Mike Dubose. Spurrier was running a clean program and had nothing to lose by stepping out in the open and sayin "fix your problem." Fulmer on the other hand had to do things in a secretive way. We will never know what he was trying to hide or even if he was; however, he was doing the same thing the bama booster was doing. Trying to gain a competitive edge on Bama... He had an excellent record versus my beloved Tide prior to 2002. Since 2002 when bama went on probation he is 2-2 including the first victory by Alabama in Tuscaloosa since 1930, and in the state of Alabama since 1991. All of this to prove the point that no one involved in the scandal remains at Alabama... Fulmer remains at UT and the TIDE is turning... Bama will not win the NC this year.... But in a streaky series this could be Fulmers last win versus bama.... Then everyone will be given what is due...

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All i can say to that is you all better look at your depth
chart there bama boy they havent quite replaced all there
numbers yet.

 

[patrick]

Big Daddy, you must be blind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Or are you in denial.

Did you read liper's topic "the decline". I am not advocating at this point in time that CPF needs to go but coaching changes need to be made on the offensive side of the football. However, if CPF is in fact in charge of the offense (as some speculate) then there is a problem.

This is not just a bad year or a down year for the offense. They have major problems. 11 offensive TDS, three of which came from turnovers within the other teams 35 yard line.

 

[patrick]

Oh and how many of those wins (Cpf winning 80 % of the games) came from beating Vandy, Kentucky, South Carolina, Memphis, SW LA, LA Tech, Miss State, Ole Miss, Arkansas, and the UAB's of the world? Can anyone come up with that statistic?

 

[allvol]

Originally posted by vol_freak@Oct 24, 2005 9:47 PM
Majors went 34-9-2 (77.8%) in his last 3 1/2 season at Tennessee (45 games). 1989-1992

Fulmer is 31-14 (68.9%) in his last 3+ years (45 games). 2002-2005

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Nice stat, but Majors won 2 SEC Championships during those seasons, which included records of 11-1 in 1989, 9-2-2 in 1990, 9-3 in 1992, and credited with 5-3 in 1993 (9-3 final record). Those were the best years under Majors. The Vols played 12 games against top 10 teams and were 5-5-2 during that span. Conversely, to Majors credit... Fulmer is only 3-9 versus top 10 teams during the last 45 games. But to Fulmer's credit, he was the OC during Majors best years too.

However, won-loss record is not the reason that Majors was fired.... otherwise, he would have been fired long before 1992. His career winning pct was 64.5%.

Majors got into hot water over racial comments he made at halftime towards Dale Carter at the 1992 Fiesta Bowl. The Vols went from leading 10-7 at the half to losing 42-17 as the players tanked it for Majors.

Continual power struggles with Doug Dickey led to his ouster.

 

[WA_Vol]

Originally posted by allvol@Oct 25, 2005 1:14 PM

Majors got into hot water over racial comments he made at halftime towards Dale Carter at the 1992 Fiesta Bowl.  The Vols went from leading 10-7 at the half to losing 42-17 as the players tanked it for Majors. 

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Allvol, is this all first hand info? Its pretty damning if it is.......

 

[volbrian]

Originally posted by RammerJammer84@Oct 24, 2005 11:05 PM
OK I wont bring it up again... but I will bring 6-3 and 7-0; Bama also Beat UF which beat UT. The tide has turned....

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Wait a minute...didn't the "tide turn" in 2002, after Bama beat yet another UT underachieving team? Wasn't "The Tide Back" then, only to lose the next 2 to UT?

Bama got what it deserved. Period. Actually, I think they got off relatively easy.

You can have your 6-3. I'll take my 9 of 11 :devilsmoke:

 

[allvol]

Originally posted by patrick@Oct 25, 2005 11:16 AM
Oh and how many of those wins (Cpf winning 80 % of the games) came from beating Vandy, Kentucky, South Carolina, Memphis, SW LA, LA Tech, Miss State, Ole Miss, Arkansas, and the UAB's of the world?  Can anyone come up with that statistic?

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I've already listed Fulmer's game-by-game list versus ranked opponents in another thread.

As far as the Memphis, SW LA, LA Tech, Miss State (who was ranked in the '90s), Ole Miss, Arkansas (who was a top 10 team in the '90s) and the UAB's of the world..... they fit right in with Fulmer's victories over ranked teams like Miami, UCLA, Notre Dame, Syracuse, Boston College, Virginia Tech, Ohio State, Michigan, Florida State, Washington State, Southern Miss, Northwestern, and Texas A&M. Especially since most SEC schools are too scared to play talented teams from other conferences.

As far as his record against unranked teams, I'm sure its not much different than any other coach in the country... coaches who have probably NOT even won close to 80% of their games.

 

[volbrian]

Originally posted by allvol@Oct 25, 2005 12:14 PM
Nice stat, but Majors won 2 SEC Championships during those seasons,

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Majors didnt have an SEC Champiosnhip Game to play in either of those seasons either.

 

[allvol]

Originally posted by oklavol@Oct 25, 2005 12:19 PM
Allvol, is this all first hand info?  Its pretty damning if it is.......

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From my Uncle who is a very reputable source. He is a donor and was at the game with a locker room pass? You decide for yourself if that is enough info.

He has never said if he heard it himself... I never asked... he just stated that Majors days at UT were numbered after that because he lost the team (players) and the admin was just waiting for an excuse to fire him.

 

[KnoxKDX]

Originally posted by west tn vol fan@Oct 24, 2005 10:07 PM
Well, they're both conservative minded coaches.  It's just funny we replaced Majors for the same thing pretty much.

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Recall Fulmer's coming out game against UGA? UT was supposed to get hammered, but Fulmer let them play and pulled out all the stops. Then he coached that way for a few years and now he's like a 90 year old guy trying to keep his retirement stuffed in his mattress instead of watching it grow by leaps and bounds in some hi yield stuff. We're definitely in a philosophy slump. You get the idea sometimes that Fulmer would much prefer a Nebraska style blow-them-off the line offense, but then we come out and try to be a finesse team...I don't get it. You're either one or the other...and it's hard to recruit for a dual offense when they're diametrically opposed.

 

[donsargegolf]

Originally posted by GAVol@Oct 24, 2005 11:06 PM
I think a wholesale purge of the coaching staff would be a horrible idea.  It would be viewed by everybody as a sign of desperation and would kill recruiting.

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Hafta disagree with you there GaVol. The word is out on our staff. Cannot coach, teach the game or affect discipline.

 

[TBALLVOL]

IMO it like this with Fulmer and Sanders. Randy is like Fulmers son and Randy comes home every night with a new Gizmo and tells Daddy this is what we need to be running. Daddy says that will never work, quit playing with those things. Randy persists however and daddy says okay, bring out your fancy gizmos and I'll show you it won't work, but I'm going to be standing close by to throw on the water if your gizmo catches on fire and tries to burn down the house. Fulmer doesn't trust Randy and his Gizmos, Randy isn't given the freedom or the support to see if his gizmos will work and both are ineffective because neither one can completely support the other. In other words, our offense is stuck in neutral.

 

[cd12]

Originally posted by vol_freak@Oct 24, 2005 10:47 PM
Majors went 34-9-2 in his last 3 1/2 season at Tennessee (45 games). 1989-1992

Fulmer is 31-14 in his last 3+ years (45 games). 2002-2005

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Who was Majors OC?

 

[bigdaddy]

Originally posted by patrick@Oct 25, 2005 11:12 AM
Big Daddy, you must be blind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Or are you in denial.

Did you read liper's topic "the decline".  I am not advocating at this point in time that CPF needs to go but coaching changes need to be made on the offensive side of the football.  However, if CPF is in fact in charge of the offense (as some speculate) then there is a problem.

This is not just a bad year or a down year for the offense.  They have major problems.  11 offensive TDS, three of which came from turnovers within the other teams 35 yard line.

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You can go and root for another team for all I care. I never said that this is the right staff. You assumed that. I said give the guy a chance to make a winning staff around him. I was backing up the point that Freak made. I never said that I was happy with this years offense. And yes, Fulmer does have a hand in the offense but nobody around here knows how much. All I ever hear from u is we suck and fire this and that.

 

[bigdaddy]

One more thing, this is not a thread that was started by Liper so what the hell does that have to do with anything?

 

[bigdaddy]

Originally posted by allvol@Oct 25, 2005 12:23 PM
I've already listed Fulmer's game-by-game list versus ranked opponents in another thread. 

As far as the Memphis, SW LA, LA Tech, Miss State (who was ranked in the '90s), Ole Miss, Arkansas (who was a top 10 team in the '90s) and the UAB's of the world.....  they fit right in with Fulmer's victories over ranked teams like Miami, UCLA, Notre Dame, Syracuse, Boston College, Virginia Tech, Ohio State, Michigan, Florida State, Washington State, Southern Miss, Northwestern, and Texas A&M.  Especially since most SEC schools are too scared to play talented teams from other conferences.

As far as his record against unranked teams, I'm sure its not much different than any other coach in the country... coaches who have probably NOT even won close to 80% of their games.

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Thanks Allvol. You saved me the trouble of proving yet another point.