Iran rocket attack on Iraqi military base injured 11 US service members, official reveals

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Mick said:
It wouldn't take long before we agreed on the ignorance and deplorability of Trump and his supporters.
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And then it works devolve into an argument over which one found him most abhorrent, and then you would toss in the the old my daddy could beat up to daddy routine for good measure.
 
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Only_1_OK said:
You ever had a concussion? Ever been a soldier who has the mindset of "shut up and ruck up" over what they might consider minor injuries at the time? Ever put your life in the hands of military medical folks who aren't specifically trained to look at concussions until the symptoms are so evident they have to deal with it?

Concussion symptoms sometimes won't manifest for days after an event. The President made the announcement less than 24 hours after the attack. A lot of Soldiers would work through what they might think are minor injuries or "I just got shook up" because of an ingrained sense of duty and avoiding the perception they are sandbagging the unit as a whole. Such injuries might not have even been reported for some time afterwards and even then, military medicine isn't the best at diagnosing the problems and toss Motrin at it first and foremost. Furthermore, a lot of those people on that base are Special Operations Forces who work through and deal with pain each and every day because they know the mission has to get done and a little pain isn't going to deter them.

Before you go calling out the President for wrongdoings, you might want to consider and know the source of such people that were injured and whether or not they would actually report such injuries or get treated until way later. Combat ain't a football game where they take your helmet and let you watch from the sidelines with a towel over your head. Soldiers will work through such things until the job is done.
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Huff is a kneeler
 
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vols40 said:
Huff is a kneeler
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If you're referring to the guy I replied to, he's the kind that likes to make crap up and ignore counter arguments when posed to him. The internet is full of ignorant people who like to whine and gripe without actually being smart enough to know all the facts or think things thru. They'd rather be told how to think instead of actually doing any thinking for themselves. When someone actually brings a valid counter, they ignore it and continue to whine. I see a lot of that around this area of Vol Nation specifically. I only replied to this thread because I've been there, done that and got the t-shirt.

I'll leave you guys to argue with the ignorant here and prepare to go find a boar. The wife wants to make venison and boar chili tomorrow and guess who gets to go shoot a wild boar on this cold Oklahoma morning?
 
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LouderVol said:
At least two people have offered explanations to argue your point.

"Concussion like" symptoms is not concussion per se. And those symptoms can take a while to manifest.

I didnt develop a sensitivity to light or sound for a couple days. Which makes sense with the potential injury here of brain swelling.

And they can just be extra careful. Concussions are nothing to play around with so we are now getting guys checked out when there were no injuries, reported, at the time.

You cant like he should be omniscient.
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So you were concussed but didn't consider yourself "injured" until you specifically felt symptoms of concussion? I was concussed once. I knew I had hurt myself right away but didn't know it was a concussion until i felt nauseated a few hours later. If they fkn hurt their heads, it happened at the time of the attack.

Notice that I never said the admin was lying. I just laughed at the idea that they got facts wrong for the 5,573rd time. It could be a perfectly innocent and accidental misleading of the public, but who is surprised anymore when it happens? When you're wrong all the time, you get **** for it even when it might not be your fault.

He clearly lied about embassies being under threat and y'all don't seem to care about that, so I'm not surprised at the response to this.
 
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Only_1_OK said:
If you're referring to the guy I replied to, he's the kind that likes to make crap up and ignore counter arguments when posed to him. The internet is full of ignorant people who like to whine and gripe without actually being smart enough to know all the facts or think things thru. They'd rather be told how to think instead of actually doing any thinking for themselves. When someone actually brings a valid counter, they ignore it and continue to whine. I see a lot of that around this area of Vol Nation specifically. I only replied to this thread because I've been there, done that and got the t-shirt.

I'll leave you guys to argue with the ignorant here and prepare to go find a boar. The wife wants to make venison and boar chili tomorrow and guess who gets to go shoot a wild boar on this cold Oklahoma morning?
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You're sending her out in that weather?
 
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n_huffhines said:
So you were concussed but didn't consider yourself "injured" until you specifically felt symptoms of concussion? I was concussed once. I knew I had hurt myself right away but didn't know it was a concussion until i felt nauseated a few hours later. If they fkn hurt their heads, it happened at the time of the attack.

Notice that I never said the admin was lying. I just laughed at the idea that they got facts wrong for the 5,573rd time. It could be a perfectly innocent and accidental misleading of the public, but who is surprised anymore when it happens? When you're wrong all the time, you get **** for it even when it might not be your fault.

He clearly lied about embassies being under threat and y'all don't seem to care about that, so I'm not surprised at the response to this.
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The Obama administration lied about an embassy being under attack where a US ambassador and 3 others died. Perhaps you would have preferred this be there case?
 
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n_huffhines said:
So you were concussed but didn't consider yourself "injured" until you specifically felt symptoms of concussion? I was concussed once. I knew I had hurt myself right away but didn't know it was a concussion until i felt nauseated a few hours later. If they fkn hurt their heads, it happened at the time of the attack.

Notice that I never said the admin was lying. I just laughed at the idea that they got facts wrong for the 5,573rd time. It could be a perfectly innocent and accidental misleading of the public, but who is surprised anymore when it happens? When you're wrong all the time, you get **** for it even when it might not be your fault.

He clearly lied about embassies being under threat and y'all don't seem to care about that, so I'm not surprised at the response to this.
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So, 2 questions:

Have you ever served in the military?

Are you a doctor or have you had training in how to diagnose traumatic brain injuries?
 
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n_huffhines said:
So you were concussed but didn't consider yourself "injured" until you specifically felt symptoms of concussion? I was concussed once. I knew I had hurt myself right away but didn't know it was a concussion until i felt nauseated a few hours later. If they fkn hurt their heads, it happened at the time of the attack.

Notice that I never said the admin was lying. I just laughed at the idea that they got facts wrong for the 5,573rd time. It could be a perfectly innocent and accidental misleading of the public, but who is surprised anymore when it happens? When you're wrong all the time, you get **** for it even when it might not be your fault.

He clearly lied about embassies being under threat and y'all don't seem to care about that, so I'm not surprised at the response to this.
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No the symptoms got worse over time. The sensitivity was the last to show up that I remember.

A headache caused by shockwaves, not an issue. Concussions caused by shockwaves, an issue. Potentially.

I treat each case separately. Trump is like all the others. Some things they get right, and deserve praise for those. Just like when they are wrong deserve reprimand, yes including the embassies.
 
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IRGC drones capture strikingly close footage of US strike group
“We say this to our enemies too as they are close to us, hear our voice, and see pictures depicting the growth of this manifestation of power,” General Salami is heard stating. “Take a salutary lesson. Should you perpetrate a blunder, we would crush you,” he says.
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headhunter15 said:
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Of course he has options.

But I don't know, affirmatively attacking another country is whole 'nother level than withdrawing a couple thousand troops from a long standing presence. I've got to hope that the military would try to slow him down on that. Seems a bit impulsive.
 
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Do we really need to review HOW MANY different countries Obama attacked?

Really?

I can think of about a half dozen countries we conducted "Operation so and so" in...

Undeclared wars that had such GREAT RESULTS as removing a democratically elected leader in a country we had worked DECADES to have a good relationship with and establish democracy in...EGYPT....and replacing that democratic government with his brothers buddies in the recognized terrorist organization MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD....

Trump has attacked nobody..started zero new wars or conflicts. Surgically killed 1 monster in Iran...

If he wants to destroy Iran's nuclear facility to keep Biden from being able to sell the whole world down the river to Iran just to line his own pockets....wheels up boys. Save Isreal the trouble of leveling that site.

You Dimwits are so TDS it is insane.

I am convinced he will live rent free in there for decades to come.
 
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Who are these people that run their **** sucker to news outlets after every meeting? Lots of rats in DC, even the ones you believe are your allies.
 
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