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NorthDallas40 said:
Speaking of pulling s$&t out of your ass explain to me why they MUST have nuclear power to support their electrical power grid infrastructure instead of natural gas fired or even diesel electric driven power generation? Based on their obvious natural resources they should clearly be using petro-thermal power generation capacity. So if it was really about increasing their power generation capacity it would have been solved by now.
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The same reason why we, the USSR and soon Saudi Arabia would.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
🦬 💩. See you make 💩 up. Based on their natural resources they should be going 100% natural gas. And they would have all the power they need if they did.
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Again, this has been part of their plans since the days of The Shah regime. This isn't a new idea. Why did the US start going to nuclear in the 1950s when we were the worlds leader in oil production? Same for the USSR at the same time? Why Iran in the 1970s? Why is Saudi Arabia considering it for the future?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Again, this has been part of their plans since the days of The Shah regime. This isn't a new idea. Why did the US start going to nuclear in the 1950s when we were the worlds leader in oil production? Same for the USSR at the same time? Why Iran in the 1970s? Why is Saudi Arabia considering it for the future?
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They all did it for the same reasons as you brought up. As part of a comprehensive nuclear research program which encompass nuclear weapons. Which is the only reason Iran would want it based on their natural reserves. You are FOS if you exclude that very basic actual truth.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
They all did it for the same reasons as you brought up. As part of a comprehensive nuclear research program which encompass nuclear weapons. Which is the only reason Iran would want it based on their natural reserves. You are FOS if you exclude that very basic actual truth.
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That’s clearly the real reason they want it. Why is the US helping them?
 
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davethevol said:
That’s clearly the real reason they want it. Why is the US helping them?
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We shouldn’t be. You can argue we shouldn’t be obstructing them but there’s no valid reason we should be helping them. We’re the last country to lecture anyone on nuclear weapons were the only ones whom have ever used them (hopefully that holds up in the coming weeks). But you’ve got a great example going on right now why idiot aggressive regimes shouldn’t be assisted one bit in developing nuclear fission technology.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
We shouldn’t be. You can argue we shouldn’t be obstructing them but there’s no valid reason we should be helping them. We’re the last country to lecture anyone on nuclear weapons were the only ones whom have ever used them (hopefully that holds up in the coming weeks). But you’ve got a great example going on right now why idiot aggressive regimes shouldn’t be assisted one bit in developing nuclear fission technology.
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I just cant help think this is all part of a nefarious plan to weaken America. I go back to Obama’s apology tour and his preacher saying “damn America” and firmly believe that there are people in our government that want to ruin this country so they can usher in a new system.

And I think Ras has a valid point about bringing Iranian oil onto the market with this nuclear deal. Russia and Iran will be able to sway countries away from the dollar backed system, and maybe that’s what people like Biden are hoping for. I have a hard time believing they aren’t aware of that situation.
 
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davethevol said:
I just cant help think this is all part of a nefarious plan to weaken America. I go back to Obama’s apology tour and his preacher saying “damn America” and firmly believe that there are people in our government that want to ruin this country so they can usher in a new system.

And I think Ras has a valid point about bringing Iranian oil onto the market with this nuclear deal. Russia and Iran will be able to sway countries away from the dollar backed system, and maybe that’s what people like Biden are hoping for. I have a hard time believing they aren’t aware of that situation.
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I think it’s just more basic that we shouldn’t be assisting economic and strategic adversaries and moronic authoritarian regimes whom we are across the board ideologically opposed with do a damn single thing. F)&@ them and ignore them.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
We shouldn’t be. You can argue we shouldn’t be obstructing them but there’s no valid reason we should be helping them. We’re the last country to lecture anyone on nuclear weapons were the only ones whom have ever used them (hopefully that holds up in the coming weeks). But you’ve got a great example going on right now why idiot aggressive regimes shouldn’t be assisted one bit in developing nuclear fission technology.
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The US wouldn't be helping them with nuclear projects. If I'm not mistaken, the French were helping them when the Shah was in charge and it will likely be the French again.
 
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davethevol said:
That’s clearly the real reason they want it. Why is the US helping them?
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Also, you ask why would the US be helping. You assume that these Masters of the Universe here make decisions based on benefitting average Americans? There is a profit motive behind it obviously. It really isn't that complicated.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
They all did it for the same reasons as you brought up. As part of a comprehensive nuclear research program which encompass nuclear weapons. Which is the only reason Iran would want it based on their natural reserves. You are FOS if you exclude that very basic actual truth.
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Explain why Ukraine and for that matter Japan don't have nukes.

Also, so what if Itan does want nukes? I thought we were all for national sovereignty and defense? I guess that only applies to some countries...
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Explain why Ukraine and for that matter Japan don't have nukes.

Also, so what if Itan does want nukes? I thought we were all for national sovereignty and defense? I guess that only applies to some countries...
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Ukraine doesn’t have them because we stupidly talked them into giving them up. This isn’t the flex you think it is Iran wants nuclear weapons and is masquerading their nuclear weapons program as civilian power generation only. If Israel has nukes Iran wants them. Let them research them, but we damn sure shouldn’t be helping them.

Japan doesn’t have them due to their constitution. More “help” from us.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The US wouldn't be helping them with nuclear projects. If I'm not mistaken, the French were helping them when the Shah was in charge and it will likely be the French again.
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Then let’s just continue the status quo. No need for another toothless “nuclear deal” with them.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Ukraine doesn’t have them because we stupidly talked them into giving them up.
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No no, Ukraine has nuclear power plants though. Why couldn't they "encompass nuclear weapons" within their existing nuclear infrastructure? Maybe it is more to it than just having a few nuclear generating stations.
 
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Iran Nuke Deal On The Verge After Russia Makes Unexpected Last-Minute Demands | ZeroHedge

The irony is that Washington desperately needs this deal to go through given it would open up badly needed global oil supply, at a moment it's been scrambling to find Europe alternatives in the scenario of Putin weaponizing his significant energy leverage if he chooses to. The White House has also come under significant domestic and media pressure for not targeting Russian oil exports as punishment for the Ukraine invasion.
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Iran, Russia and Venezuela. All three huge oil producers. All three under sanctions. Yet, we need their resources.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
No no, Ukraine has nuclear power plants though. Why couldn't they "encompass nuclear weapons" within their existing nuclear infrastructure? Maybe it is more to it than just having a few nuclear generating stations.
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This argument makes sense to you?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm simply asking if it was that easy, why haven't the Ukrainians developed nukes? I'm sure they have the scientific know-how from the old Soviet days and plus they have the nuclear plants.
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Well we talked them into giving them up and gave assurances and they kept their word. We also make toothless agreements with the lying sack of **** Persians which they have zero intent of abiding by. So again, this argument makes sense to you?
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Well we talked them into giving them up and gave assurances and they kept their word. We also make toothless agreements with the lying sack of **** Persians which they have zero intent of abiding by. So again, this argument makes sense to you?
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Actually, it doesn't. They stood by the nuclear agreement but wouldn't follow the Minsk II ceasefire agreement. Maybe they just pick and choose which deals to break, but to me, they seem to have gotten that backwards.

Don't get me started again on Iran.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I think at this point, it is all but assured.



Someone has to be profiting out of this. Pallets of cash delivered during Obama administration and now the same guys are back in charge now. WTF do you think? Somebody is getting paid out of this.


In my earlier post, I had said:



I specifically added that in because I think that the COVID tragedy allowed them (or forced them) to turn away from the petrodollar scheme and try to transition to the eventual digital dollar scheme. I think in the meantime, the dollar is just going to be printed to oblivion until it either hyperinflates or they get their digital dollar up and running.
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Jean Kerry appears to be involved behind the scenes as well. It is amazing this sneaky bastard is still in the middle of America killing foreign policy deals. At some point someone in the Biden administration or several needs to be held to account for this. It won't happen with this congress. They must go to even give the people a shot at answers.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Actually, it doesn't. They stood by the nuclear agreement but wouldn't follow the Minsk II ceasefire agreement. Maybe they just pick and choose which deals to break, but to me, they seem to have gotten that backwards.

Don't get me started again on Iran.
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Thanks for pointing out I was right.

Go ahead and get started on Iran. Get it off your chest.
 
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While America watches the war in Ukraine, Biden finalizes a dangerous Iran deal
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While the world's attention is fixated on Russia's war in Ukraine, President Biden's Iran envoy in Vienna, Robert Malley, reportedly is readying to finalize a deal that makes a number of worrying concessions to Iran's Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei and his regime.

Gabriel Noronha, a former Senate Armed Services Committee aide to the late Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and former State Department official, has tweeted specifics of some American concessions to Iran. Noronha says his former State Department, National Security Council, and European Union colleagues were so alarmed about compromises the Biden administration appears to be making with Iran that they allowed him to publish details to alert Congress to how the pending agreement could undermine America's national security interests.

The agreement details are known to the governments of Russia, China and Iran, but evidently not to Congress, and certainly not to the American people. It's possible that an agreement could be signed by early next week.

The Biden team's desire to revive what they worked on during the Obama administration and to have the United States rejoin the nuclear agreement known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) is no surprise. What is shocking is the extent of sanctions relief that Malley, the lead negotiator, appears ready to offer. Earlier this year, Malley's deputy, Richard Nephew, protested the lack of a harder approach by resigning.

Noronha tells me his former colleagues hold out hope that Congress "will act to stop the capitulation" by the Biden administration. Sanctions relief reportedly is being offered for some of Iran's worst human rights abusers and terrorists, as well as the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), which the State Department designated as a Foreign Terrorist Organization in 2019. Among those who reportedly could be granted a reprieve from sanctions are IRGC Gen. Hossein Dehghan, who led forces that killed 241 U.S. soldiers in 1983 in Beirut, and Ayatollah Khamenei's personal corporations, worth tens of billions of dollars.

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