Iranian Warships on the Move

#26
#26
Iran isn't smart. They should be every bit afraid of Israel until they get a working nuke. Israel's air force alone would decimate Iran, I believe.
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VOLatile said:
Iran isn't smart. They should be every bit afraid of Israel until they get a working nuke. Israel's air force alone would decimate Iran, I believe.
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No so sure.


It seems Israel's military is reaching mythical proportions. The world has changed since 1967.
 
#29
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JTrainDavis said:
This. Not shabby at all, but it's not as if Iran's air defense network is made up of vintage German 88's.
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no but didn't Baghdad has the heaviest concentration of anti-aircraft machinery in the world a few years ago? How many did they bring down?
 
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utvolpj said:
no but didn't Baghdad has the heaviest concentration of anti-aircraft machinery in the world a few years ago? How many did they bring down?
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True, but I'd wager that the S-300 system knockoff that Iran has built is better than anything in Saddam's arsenal was. Just my opinion.
 
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utvolpj said:
no but didn't Baghdad has the heaviest concentration of anti-aircraft machinery in the world a few years ago? How many did they bring down?
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Having your forward air tracking stations destroyed along with other radar units doesn't help.
 
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JTrainDavis said:
True, but I'd wager that the S-300 system knockoff that Iran has built is better than anything in Saddam's arsenal was. Just my opinion.
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I'll add that most of the initial attacks were directed at softening up anti-air defenses, using planes and technology that Israel doesn't quite have.
 
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I was under the impression that Israel's air force is the second best in the world (behind the US), am I confusing it with another country?
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VOLatile said:
I was under the impression that Israel's air force is the second best in the world (behind the US), am I confusing it with another country?
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Having seen them operate I would put their pilots second only to the U.S.Navy. However I witnessed this in the 80's so a lot could have changed.
 
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JTrainDavis said:
This. Blasting a ship with no outwardly hostile on an international sea lane with a sea skimmer because you aren't friends isn't the best idea.
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So far that tactic has worked fine for Iran and North Korea, IIRC.
 
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joevol320 said:
no one imagined that muslims would fly planes into building either but it happened.

you have to understand that their mentality is that God is on their side and they will destroy israel no matter the costs.
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I place no bounds upon stupidity.

JTrainDavis said:
This. Blasting a ship with no outwardly hostile on an international sea lane with a sea skimmer because you aren't friends isn't the best idea.
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Agreed. But not unheard of, especially when Israel is a main player on stage.
Don’t discount Israel pre-emptive strike, Hillary Clinton warns Iran - Times Online

crazyguy said:
it's funny how everyone gets pissed at iran for acting under the cloud of religion when israel does the same thing.
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Reminds me of the story of when Ali and Frazier fought at MSG.
Frazier quickened the tempo in the third and fourth, whaling Ali with lefts and rights. Ali moved as he fired jabs and landed rights and shouted at Frazier, "Do you know I'm God?"
"God, you're in the wrong place tonight," Frazier shot back.​

The day Iran attacks Israel in the name of whatever God they choose - you can be certain that their God will be in the wrong place on that day.

JTrainDavis said:
This. Not shabby at all, but it's not as if Iran's air defense network is made up of vintage German 88's.
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If only there was someone who could provide some experiential insight into the level of concern which Israeli pilots will have for Iran's air defenses.....
 
#39
#39
The ships' movements have not been verified to the best of my knowledge. Even if it was, Israel can't stop any country from conducting war games in international waters.
 
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JTrainDavis said:
Iraqis nailed a us destroyer with an exocet missle during the iran iraq war. The crew saved her iirc.
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USS Stark FFG, which I did a UNITAS on in 97. Two missiles hit it, with one not detonating. Barely made it to Bahrain to get patched up to go back to Mayport. And it was in 87 when it got hit
 
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BearCat204 said:
USS Stark FFG, which I did a UNITAS on in 97. Two missiles hit it, with one not detonating. Barely made it to Bahrain to get patched up to go back to Mayport. And it was in 87 when it got hit
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Supposedly the pilot got his head chopped off for that.

The Exocet is a pretty nasty machine, i remember reading into it after i watched a show about the Falkland Islands war.

If i remember right, a British ship killed one with a missile that was headed for the Missouri in the gulf war.

Saddam did a hell of a job against Iranian shipping coming through the straits of hormuz with that puppy.
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
The USS Enterprise area of responsibility right now is the Suez canal
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Yes. Iran isn't stupid, they are posturing, they aren't going to do something stupid, with the US and Royal Navies having a presence in the region, plus with the homeward approach of the Black Sea fleet in the region.
 
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could it be a "Wag the Dog" situation?

They are going to look pretty stupid if Egypt doenst allow them to pass, they may get desperate

edit: sorry that doesnt make a whole lot of sense. Since Iran is in political trouble, do you think these ships could be sent to stir up trouble (or pretend to) to defuse the political situation in Iran?
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
could it be a "Wag the Dog" situation?

They are going to look pretty stupid if Egypt doenst allow them to pass, they may get desperate
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Egypt has no governance over the Canal. After the Suez Crisis in the late 60's when the UK, France, and Israel "told" Egypt it was to stay open.

I'm surprised Sarkozy hasn't sent the Legion to assure the canal stays open, really.
 
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