Is Chism better than Gordon Hayward

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Bassmanbruno said:
I know nothing? Lol.

First of all - how does Big Baby Davis relate to Chism? Does he play the 3? Davis also was a much better college player if you look at his stats.

Paul Pierce and Rashard Lewis still dominate Chism in terms of athleticism and quickness. Chism has no business playing anything but the 4 - and he's undersized there.
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big baby was slow so he relates quickness wise

Pp and shard I don't think dominates like you say. Thankfully like I said before he Isnt expected to start day 1. He can develop quickness and work on it. You said never. I think that is a terribly dumb statement ( no offense). Given a chance at the right place he can develop to a key player. IMO
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utvols88 said:
A lot. Chism reminds me of an odom from draft day. Odom was better but the again he had a chance to be an elite player in the NBA and chose to eat snickers instead of develop his game. That being said if chism goes to the right place he could end up very solid.
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I've watched him (LO)long enough(5yrs) to see his latest transformation, but I don't know how he looked in school. Hell, I don't even know where he went to school. He , like T Prince(or JP), has the advantage of what I call the "akward fluidity" (I.e. Left-handed-ness) Give TP a right handed shot, he's in Spain right now. (No offense to any of the Prince(s) or Odom....I'm left handed, kinda)
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Orangekush423 said:
I've watched him (LO)long enough(5yrs) to see his latest transformation, but I don't know how he looked in school. Hell, I don't even know where he went to school. He , like T Prince(or JP), has the advantage of what I call the "akward fluidity" (I.e. Left-handed-ness) Give TP a right handed shot, he's in Spain right now. (No offense to any of the Prince(s) or Odom....I'm left handed, kinda)
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that left handed stuff I tricky lol. Weird to defend. At least for me it is.
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Chism doesn't have the athleticism to play the 3 in the NBA. You can't change athletic ability. Maybe he can become slightly quicker - but that wouldn't be near enough.

Big Baby doesn't need tons quickness at his position, skill set, and play style.

Chism could never stay in front of any decent SF in the league. That would be bad and embarrassing to watch him try. He doesn't have the frame either.

Pierce obviously isn't the quickest guy - but his skill set is elite and has a much better frame. Chism will never have anything like that - after 4 years in the college weight room and you really didn't see too much of a change. He added some definition.. but not much more.

Only shot is at PF.

I think saying he could move to the 3 eventually is a terribly dumb statement (no offense).
 
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VOLFREAK11 said:
Gordon Hayward selected 9th overall. I was just wanting to see everyones opinion, try not to be biased. I personally believe Chism is better than Hayward but that must be why im not a GM in the NBA.
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Not even close. Hayward is better in every aspect. They are just as tall and Hayward can play 2-3 with a good jumper, makes the hustle plays, and shows good athleticism to guard multiple positions. While chism wishes he can play the 2-3 with the amount of three balls he throws up, he is a decent four but doesnt play good defense, iffy at the line, has a hard time finishing at times, however his character is great which is one of the reasons hell get on a summer league team. Hayward willed his team to the title game and was a half court shot away from beating another 1 seed. Wayne is a good college player and I loved watching him, but there is a reason he wasnt drafted and Gordon was taken number 9.
 
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crusse10 said:
He wasn't even on the list of PFs available, period.
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yah that's what i meant. i got into a board argument over chism's nba potential back in december. like i said then, he should be thrilled to just make a roster and cash checks like sheldon williams is doing. you definitely get a feel for a player watching him for 4 years. chism does have heart so there is a "chance" he makes incredible strides in the next 2-3 years and becomes a solid role player in the league. but it's not likely.
 
#37
#37
Lamar Odom? he was a phenom, a one and done top 5 overall pick.

id say Chism could be like Robert Horry shaded a lil more in the paint , maybe Juwan Howard at best? thats upside and what i hope to see. scouts are not as high as i am i guess but i really think hes the most NBA ready we have had since Allan Houston. Chism can play with anybody on any night iof the week, i think the NBA pace suits him. he will be on a roster next fall
 
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utvols88 said:
A lot. Chism reminds me of an odom from draft day. Odom was better but the again he had a chance to be an elite player in the NBA and chose to eat snickers instead of develop his game. That being said if chism goes to the right place he could end up very solid.
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Yeah, he's eating those snickers...and looking at his two championship rings...
 
#41
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zjcvols said:
Yeah, he's eating those snickers...and looking at his two championship rings...
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really? Using rings as a point. Adam Morrison has a ring. Oops. I guess all the hard work of having the best season tickets will get him paid that much more. Its a difference of legacy. Odom could have been dominant but is now considered shakey. Without Kobe he wins nothing. Not even a playoff game. Good call though.
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ochocinco said:
Lamar Odom? he was a phenom, a one and done top 5 overall pick.

id say Chism could be like Robert Horry shaded a lil more in the paint , maybe Juwan Howard at best? thats upside and what i hope to see. scouts are not as high as i am i guess but i really think hes the most NBA ready we have had since Allan Houston. Chism can play with anybody on any night iof the week, i think the NBA pace suits him. he will be on a roster next fall
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Compared to now he was raw. And he wasn't a one and done per se. He was involved in some scandal with unlv? Then went to rhode island and sat a year. Then played in an A10 league that had little competition. I can see the horry comparison though. And I agree that he can play with anyone as well. Give him time with NBA coaches and he'll get it. IMO. Of course the difference is odom got picked high and chism not at all.
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#43
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utvols88 said:
Yeah ok. You know nothing. If glen Davis can contribute in the NBA then chism def can. Because even Paul pierce is quick like rondo or jameer. Rahard Lewis is should play the three and he is not that "quick".
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Some of you guys need to wake up. There is ansolutely no way chism moves to the 3 in the League. And glen Davis was a better college player than chism.
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#45
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LawVol13 said:
Some of you guys need to wake up. There is ansolutely no way chism moves to the 3 in the League. And glen Davis was a better college player than chism.
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This thread is really embarrassing.
 
#46
#46
JZVOL said:
This thread is really embarrassing.
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Yes, it is. It's amazing to me that people honestly act like they think Chism, who couldn't have played the 3 in college if his life depended on it, is just going to develop guard skills to play it in the pros.
 
#48
#48
All I know is Chism either played even with or outplayed a lot of the players drafted. Aldrich, Pittman,Patterson and others. I think there is a particular bias from the NBA toward players from schools other than Duke,N.Car, Kansas, Ky,UCLA,etc.etc. All basketball schools. More so now than when Grunfeld and King played college basketball.
 
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#92 said:
All I know is Chism either played even with or outplayed a lot of the players drafted. Aldrich, Pittman,Patterson and others. I think there is a particular bias from the NBA toward players from schools other than Duke,N.Car, Kansas, Ky,UCLA,etc.etc. All basketball schools. More so now than when Grunfeld and King played college basketball.
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Or it's because they are typically the best teams, with the best players.
 
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