Is NJ Court Gay Marriage Stance October Surprise?

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OWB said:
What other minority groups are you worried about?
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Any at this point. It is more an issue of a minority group (minority in values, opinions, beliefs) claiming the majority cannot close them out from their social institutions because it is discrimination.


For example, if the gay marriage argument is based on the equal protection clause under what grounds would you deny marriage being extended to 3 somes? I know people say that's a ridiculous argument but the legal argument underlying gay marriage is based on selectively removing one aspect of the concept of marriage - man and woman. Why is that aspect discriminatory while the 2 persons part is not? Where is the legal foundation that says one is and one is not?

It may be discriminatory for the government to grant benefits to man/woman couples but that could be alleviated with civil unions (which I favor). However, the concept of marriage is a social institution - a creation of the people.

In other words, I believe these are issues for people, not courts to decide.
 
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volinbham said:
Would you say the same for stem cell research? Are there many who will come out for this single issue and vote every dem on the ballot. Is it hotly debated at any other time like it is around elections?
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I don't know about that, but the anti abortion group are the ones behind the opposition, and to them it is an extension of the abortion debate.

Most of your single issue dems are probably environmentalists or feminists.
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
Isn't that why we have legislatures, to vote on these issues? Then why do we need a referendum? Let's elect our legislative bodies and let them do their jobs.
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I'd be okay if the legislators were allowed to vote on the matter. However, the rules and regulations of each state call for some matters to be brought to the public for a vote.
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
I don't know about that, but the anti abortion group are the ones behind the opposition, and to them it is an extension of the abortion debate.
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That's a pretty broad brush. I'm currently not in favor of embryonic stem cell research but I'm not one that would be considered in the anti-abortion group.

My guess is that you will find a sizable portion of the electorate (close to 1/2) that have ethical concerns about abortion and/or embryonic stem cell research. Many/most of these are not religious zealots or the staunch anti-abortion crowd.

As stated earlier in this thread, it's too convenient to paint those on the other side of an issue as extremists or single issue voters. More often than not, it's equally thoughtful people who just see it a different way. :peace2:
 
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