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Yes it's true that ol' Randy could'nt adjust his belt if his pants were fallen down..

But what about us not stopping teams on 3rd and long? everyone seems to be ignoring that....
 
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i think in a way your right.. weve been bad for that for the last couple of years. We have a great defense but i think it is the best in the red zone when there is less field to cover. the inability to stop people on third down will haunt us if we dont step up.
 
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very good point i noticed that. the offense is the weak point. special teams is week but not as important as offense.
 
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Originally posted by 7IlikeOrange7@Sep 22, 2005 4:58 PM
i think in a way your right.. weve been bad for that for the last couple of years.  We have a great  defense but i think it is the best in the red zone when there is less field to cover. the inability to stop people on third down will haunt us if we dont step up.
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It haunted us when Peyton was here especially against Florida..I get sick of hearing about how Peyton could'nt beat Florida and now how he cant beat the Patriots..In all of those years I have yet to see him on defense...You can score 50 points,but if you cant stop the other team from scoring 51 then you lose..Unless my math is off..... :fool:
 
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Originally posted by indyvol15@Sep 22, 2005 7:56 PM
It haunted us when Peyton was here especially against Florida..I get sick of hearing about how Peyton could'nt beat Florida and now how he cant beat the Patriots..In all of those years I have yet to see him on defense...You can score 50 points,but if you cant stop the other team from scoring 51 then you lose..Unless my math is off..... :fool:
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good point :ninja:
 
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Originally posted by indyvol15@Sep 22, 2005 8:56 PM
It haunted us when Peyton was here especially against Florida..I get sick of hearing about how Peyton could'nt beat Florida and now how he cant beat the Patriots..In all of those years I have yet to see him on defense...You can score 50 points,but if you cant stop the other team from scoring 51 then you lose..Unless my math is off..... :fool:
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Right on time. I have broken many things over the years when we have our opponents stuck on third and long only to let them out of the hole!!!
 
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Originally posted by hmanvolfan@Sep 22, 2005 9:03 PM
Right on time. I have broken many things over the years when we have our opponents stuck on third and long only to let them out of the hole!!!
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nothing frustrates me more.... :banghead:
 
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Here's the thing...we are Vol fans, and as such we have to accept that we have never had, don't have, and never will have a high powered offense under Phil Fulmer. His coaching staff is just that...his. And as such, they do things the way he wants...which is old school. Younger coaches who have grown up under a different set of rules have different ideas on how the game should be played. That means high powered offenses. UT's only saving grace is that they do manage to bring a strong defense to the table each year to keep other teams scoring totals down. You really get to see how UT fairs during bowl season. A&M had a poor showing, but how about Clemson, K-State, or even Nebraska? UT generally gets exposed when they have to deal with another team who has a terrific defense, yet can score fast and often on offense. I think we are really lucky we are in the SEC where 14 points can win games.
 
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Originally posted by 7IlikeOrange7@Sep 22, 2005 5:58 PM
i think in a way your right.. weve been bad for that for the last couple of years.  We have a great  defense but i think it is the best in the red zone when there is less field to cover. the inability to stop people on third down will haunt us if we dont step up.
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I think one reason is that our defense is worn out by the end of the game b/c our offense cannot sustain a drive for any time at all.
 
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Originally posted by indyvol15@Sep 22, 2005 5:46 PM
Yes it's true that ol' Randy could'nt adjust his belt if his pants were fallen down..

But what about us not stopping teams on 3rd and long? everyone seems to be ignoring that....
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Yeah, I agree. Down the road, I dont think our defense will be as dominant as it looked against Florida. I think its also a reflection on Myers being overrated.
 
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Originally posted by oklavol@Sep 23, 2005 12:59 AM
Yeah, I agree. Down the road, I dont think our defense will be as dominant as it looked against Florida.  I think its also a reflection on Myers being overrated.
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I disagree on both counts..UT will have one of the toughest D's in the conference and Meyer beat the winningest coach in the SEC at his own game...he out Tennessee'd Tennessee....thats a sign of a good coach.
 
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Originally posted by hmanvolfan@Sep 22, 2005 9:03 PM
Right on time. I have broken many things over the years when we have our opponents stuck on third and long only to let them out of the hole!!!
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Yeah, I think I broke several things last Saturday for the same reason. If we had stopped the Gators on 3rd and long, I think the game was ours.
 
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Originally posted by KnoxKDX@Sep 22, 2005 9:18 PM
Here's the thing...we are Vol fans, and as such we have to accept that we have never had, don't have, and never will have a high powered offense under Phil Fulmer.  His coaching staff is just that...his.  And as such, they do things the way he wants...which is old school.  Younger coaches who have grown up under a different set of rules have different ideas on how the game should be played.  That means high powered offenses.  UT's only saving grace is that they do manage to bring a strong defense to the table each year to keep other teams scoring totals down.  You really get to see how UT fairs during bowl season.  A&M had a poor showing, but how about Clemson, K-State, or even Nebraska?  UT generally gets exposed when they have to deal with another team who has a terrific defense, yet can score fast and often on offense.  I think we are really lucky we are in the SEC where 14 points can win games.
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Yes, I've been thinking about alot of the discussions about how the Vols play so much differently now... and how they wish it was like 1998 all over again. However, the 1998 season was not as pretty as rose-colored glasses would make it out to be. Fulmer is the same now as he ever was.

The same frustrating feelings I have now were there in the '98 SECCG against Miss State, when the Vols "conservative" offense kept Miss State in the game... only to watch in disbelief as Prentiss returned a punt for a touchdown in the 4th quarter to give Miss State a 14-10 lead. Only 10 friggin' points in the first 3 quarters! and Miss State had only 149 total yards in the game!! but were leading. If not for the 41-yard and 26-yard touchdown passes from Tee Martin, the Vols could have been looking at a similar result to 2001. Just like they only led 10-7 going in to the 4th quarter in '98, they only led 17-16 going into the 4th quarter in '01. Similar games, different results.

Tee Martin completed less than 50% of his passes in 3 of the first 4 games.

Don't forget the pathetic offensive game against unranked Auburn either. The Vols won 17-9 where the Vols 2 first quarter touchdowns were an interception return and a Jamal Lewis 67-yard run. The rest of the offense for the game was only 151 total yards.

So even during a national championship season, the Vols have played inconsistant on offense.
 
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Originally posted by Mullet Vol@Sep 22, 2005 10:49 PM
I think one reason is that our defense is worn out by the end of the game b/c our offense cannot sustain a drive for any time at all.
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The same could be said if you are a fast scoring offense as well though
 
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Originally posted by indyvol15@Sep 23, 2005 3:14 PM
The same could be said if you are a fast scoring offense as well though
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True, but we aren't a fast scoring offense.
 
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Originally posted by KnoxKDX@Sep 22, 2005 9:18 PM
Here's the thing...we are Vol fans, and as such we have to accept that we have never had, don't have, and never will have a high powered offense under Phil Fulmer.  His coaching staff is just that...his.  And as such, they do things the way he wants...which is old school.  Younger coaches who have grown up under a different set of rules have different ideas on how the game should be played.  That means high powered offenses.  UT's only saving grace is that they do manage to bring a strong defense to the table each year to keep other teams scoring totals down.  You really get to see how UT fairs during bowl season.  A&M had a poor showing, but how about Clemson, K-State, or even Nebraska?  UT generally gets exposed when they have to deal with another team who has a terrific defense, yet can score fast and often on offense.  I think we are really lucky we are in the SEC where 14 points can win games.
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Got to partially disagree there. We had some great offenses in '93, '95, '96, '97 and pretty decent in '99 and '01, but the mid 90's offenses were better. I think the variable there is having such great QBs (Shuler and Manning). We even had some really good offenses in the very early 90s when Fulmer was the OC.

Right now, however, I would agree that our offense is pathetic. Probably the worst 2 game stretch we've had since... wow, maybe the early 80's? Especially considering the talent we have right now. Good thing chief is earning his paycheck or we'd quite possibly have had a few 6-6 seasons under our belt in the early '00s.

As far as this season goes, one game can be bad luck, 2 games a coincidence, but 3 games in a row would be a trend. A very bad trend. I still have faith in our coaching staff but if we have another piss poor offensive showing its going to start to wan.




 
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I'll go back to the original question of this thread . . . I'm probably in the minority, but I am a LOT more concerned about our special teams than I am with our offense. Nothing will make for a long season quite like giving up field position on special teams.
 
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Originally posted by GAVol@Sep 23, 2005 10:29 PM
I'll go back to the original question of this thread . . . I'm probably in the minority, but I am a LOT more concerned about our special teams than I am with our offense.
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Me too, special teams needs to be locked down. However, after watching Kentucky put 28 up on the board against UF, I'm really worried about our team... :blink:

I think that even with the special teams mistakes, if we had a shred of offense in that second half, it would have been our victory.
 
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Sorry utvolpj, I hit edit instead of reply....my bad...you can fix it back if you want. Again, sorry :lol:
 
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Originally posted by utvolpj@Sep 24, 2005 8:33 PM
Another abuse of power by the mods.  What is this, tidefans?  :rolleyes:
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:angel: Maybe :blush2:
 
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Originally posted by indyvol15@Sep 22, 2005 4:46 PM
Yes it's true that ol' Randy could'nt adjust his belt if his pants were fallen down..

But what about us not stopping teams on 3rd and long? everyone seems to be ignoring that....
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You think we have a bad defense??? Look at the LSU defense for one game +++The LSU defense faced a offense and struggled and failed to slow Arizona State's passing, allowing 560 total yards as Arizona State QB Sam Keller completed 35 of 56 passes for 461 yards and four touchdowns. CB Ronnie Prude continued to struggle in coverage and the Tigers showed they have a lot of work to do to improve their pass rush. So here is what I think The two qb's we have should pick LSU's defense apart LSU's CB Ronnie Prude will be the same player on Monday night as he was against AS
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Originally posted by msully@Sep 24, 2005 9:09 PM
So here is what I think The two qb's we have should pick LSU's defense
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It's down to Ainge in case you haven't heard.
 
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