Is Saban leaving Bama in a bind?

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hog88 said:
The people Saban left in a bind is the early enrollees he signed in Dec. He waited until they were enrolled and in class before telling them he was leaving.
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Theoretically they could transfer, yes? The window for Bama players is opened back up for 30 days with the announcement.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Theoretically they could transfer, yes? The window for Bama players is opened back up for 30 days with the announcement.
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Yes they could transfer but they enrolled early so they could participate in spring practice, get a jump on potential playing time. Now they will have to wait until fall camp if they transfer.
 
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Matt2496 said:
It's going to be a real wake-up call to many of their fans who have only seen Bama be great and competing for Natties/winning 11+ games year in and year out.
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I try to stay positive most of the time, but Bama is still going to be tough. How many Florida coaches have beaten us since Spurrier left. Just saying.
 
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ptcarter said:
I try to stay positive most of the time, but Bama is still going to be tough. How many Florida coaches have beaten us since Spurrier left. Just saying.
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We don't have a hangup with Alabama like we have with UF. When Alabama doesn't have a legendary coach, we tend to do fairly well against them. The only coach between Bryant and Saban that Tennessee struggled with was Bill Curry (0-3).

We went 3-1 against Ray Perkins, 3-4 against Gene Stallings (who was a really good coach; 3-4 against him is not bad), 4-0 against Mike DuBose, 1-1 against Franchione, and 3-1 against Mike Shula.

There is some kind of funky voodoo between us and UF that I can't explain. I get why we never beat Urban (0-6), but it is also incredible to me how we went 0-4 against Muschamp, 1-2 against McElwain, and 0-4 against Mullen. And Billy managed to beat us this year to get us to 1-1 against him.
 
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Just my opinion on him leaving. He may be the first domino, but college and pro sports are getting ready to be exposed for what they truly are. Sports fans incliding me, are going to be very disappointed.
 
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Madscientistvol said:
They’re in the process of replacing another DC, no internal promotion to HC from what I hear or anyone lined up yet, and they just told the players today also apparently.

Is Saban just dipping leaving Bama without giving them exit plans?
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I think one of the best things Bama has going for it right now is that it doesn't appear as though Saban got to name his successor
 
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Coach Lyle was an understudy, and Arky State can't match Bama's offering.
 
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Madscientistvol said:
They’re in the process of replacing another DC, no internal promotion to HC from what I hear or anyone lined up yet, and they just told the players today also apparently.

Is Saban just dipping leaving Bama without giving them exit plans?
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He waited until after the transfer portal closed so Bama could keep all their players.
 
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I didn’t read through the entire thread so I’m sorry if this was said. According to ESPN, Saban is staying on to help in the transition and to help keep current players and commitments on board.
 
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rickyyrs said:
He waited until after the transfer portal closed so Bama could keep all their players.
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a 30 day window opens whenever a head coach leaves.

its more likely he waited until the current guys were going to classes so they wouldn't be eligible to enroll at another school in the spring even if they did transfer.
 
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tennrich1 said:
No I don’t think he’s leaving them in a bind. They’ll be fine. Certainly they’ll be a time of adjustment and may take a hit initially in personnel but I suspect they’ll recover just fine. Frankly… I’m kind surprised some think this is a death knell to the Bama program. Our Vols will still have to content with a strong Bama. No doubt about it. 🤷‍♂️
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I imagine nobody thought Florida, Miami, USC, Nebraska and until recently Michigan would be as down as they have been. It's far,far more likely that Alabama becomes a middle of the road SEC program than stays in the top 5. The first three programs I mentioned have far more natural resources than Alabama for football and thus a higher floor yet they've still struggled. So it's not crazy at all to view this as a death knell for Alabama. It kinda is.
 
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hog88 said:
Yes they could transfer but they enrolled early so they could participate in spring practice, get a jump on potential playing time. Now they will have to wait until fall camp if they transfer.
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I think the extra practice time only hinders the guys who really are not ready to play or are out of shape. Most of their recruits won't miss a beat missing the spring semester and spring practice.
 
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LouderVol said:
hopefully just a general concern and nothing specific.
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Absolutely. Good on him for hanging it up. It is exceedingly rare for someone to leave that profession 100% on their own terms. Hell, the 2 other HoF coaches he stepped down in conjunction with (Carroll and Belichick) aren't doing it 100% on their own terms, and they're legends as well.

The older I get, the smarter and smarter I think guys like Bob Stoops and Jay Wright are. Have an awesome career, win championships and a ton of games, and get out relatively young. I think there are just so few high achievers who are wired that way; they go 100%, 100% of the time, end up staying too long, and get fired after a period of struggles.
 
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Hyperion said:
I imagine nobody thought Florida, Miami, USC, Nebraska and until recently Michigan would be as down as they have been. It's far,far more likely that Alabama becomes a middle of the road SEC program than stays in the top 5. The first three programs I mentioned have far more natural resources than Alabama for football and thus a higher floor yet they've still struggled. So it's not crazy at all to view this as a death knell for Alabama. It kinda is.
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We’ll certainly disagree on that one. Been watching for 50+ years and Bama has been UP far more than average. But…as a Vol …man…I hope you’re right.
 
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tennrich1 said:
We’ll certainly disagree on that one. Been watching for 50+ years and Bama has been UP far more than average. But…as a Vol …man…I hope you’re right.
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The conference is a lot more competitive than it was in the 70s, 80s and 90s. Alabama has only sustained greatness with two of the greatest coaches ever.

Whether you view that as normal or a total anomaly is up to you. I tend to think it's mostly a fluke of circumstances and that they are highly unlikely to be so lucky moving forward
 
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Hyperion said:
The conference is a lot more competitive than it was in the 70s, 80s and 90s. Alabama has only sustained greatness with two of the greatest coaches ever.

Whether you view that as normal or a total anomaly is up to you. I tend to think it's mostly a fluke of circumstances and that they are highly unlikely to be so lucky moving forward
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utvols74 said:
Saban is a football genius. Case in point...

His first game against Fulmer, UT was ranked in the top 10. Bama wasn't ranked at all. Saban won the coin toss and deferred. Alabama onside kicked the opening kickoff and recovered. UT never recovered. Alabama won. I told several family members watching with me, "Oh boy, we've got to play this guy every year!" He is a strict disciplinarian and a throw back to the old school days of college football.

Did he cheat in every way possible? Probably. He was a Belichick disciple after all.
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Yeah, that Bama team also had their entire oline suspended that week if I recall correctly. Saban also keep UT out of the 2001 title came. Most remember the loss but Saban wasn’t the big name back then. From an article just posted on footballscoop, it seemed to indicate Saban decided that day. And Steele, if he knew, I’m guessing probably would have seen if his contract was bought out had he don’t been retained instead of retiring.
 
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Hyperion said:
I imagine nobody thought Florida, Miami, USC, Nebraska and until recently Michigan would be as down as they have been. It's far,far more likely that Alabama becomes a middle of the road SEC program than stays in the top 5. The first three programs I mentioned have far more natural resources than Alabama for football and thus a higher floor yet they've still struggled. So it's not crazy at all to view this as a death knell for Alabama. It kinda is.
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By natural resources I assume you mean home grown talent because that’s about the only thing those schools have on Bama. Facilities, fan support, booster support, overall commitment to winning etc, those schools don’t come close to Bama.
 
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AthensVol2007 said:
By natural resources I assume you mean home grown talent because that’s about the only thing those schools have on Bama. Faculties, fan support, booster support, overall commitment to winning etc, those schools don’t come close to Bama.
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I would argue Tennessee is second to none at those categories you mentioned yet we've had a tough 15 years. The gumps aren't immune either. Texas A&M is probably far and away first in those categories and they struggle to be more than a 8-4 program.
 
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