is the reparation bandwagon is starting again?

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joevol320 said:
if we have to pay for reparations? shouldn't Africa too since they were the country who enslaved their own and sold them? Obama presidency is really going to be scary.
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Just so you know, Africa is a continent, not a country.
 
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bwyatt1 said:
Just so you know, Africa is a continent, not a country.
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Very true. The question is since Africans were sold into slavery by African and traded by Portugal, Spain etc don't they have some blame? If so how much?
 
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Well, if reparations happen. Watch half of Vol Nation claiming Indian background and lining up for their check.

I'll see you there :)
 
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KB5252 said:
Very true. The question is since Africans were sold into slavery by African and traded by Portugal, Spain etc don't they have some blame? If so how much?
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I understand the question, but since the African countries of today were not established during the slave trade era, and Africa was mainly a land of tribes and colonies, I really don't see any of the African countries getting on board with paying reparations. Of course, I don't believe any nation should have to pay money to individuals for reparations, we should do all we can to improve inner-city education, life, etc.
 
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bwyatt1 said:
I understand the question, but since the African countries of today were not established during the slave trade era, and Africa was mainly a land of tribes and colonies, I really don't see any of the African countries getting on board with paying reparations. Of course, I don't believe any nation should have to pay money to individuals for reparations, we should do all we can to improve inner-city education, life, etc.
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I agree with everything you have said. I would find it interesting to see what others think about how much blame belongs with each cog in the wheel. We do need to improve inner city schools. IMO the place to start is the teachers unions and parents.
 
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KB5252 said:
I agree with everything you have said. I would find it interesting to see what others think about how much blame belongs with each cog in the wheel. We do need to improve inner city schools. IMO the place to start is the teachers unions and parents.
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Right there is your biggest problem!
 
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MontereyVol said:
Right there is your biggest problem!
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In the inner city schools it is. Parent involvement, not to mention parents teaching their kids personal responsibility. The over all dismal results we get from our school system is due in a large part to the stranglehold the teachers union has. I do believe that a good number of our teachers are great, it is just the remainder that the union protects help to bring it down. The policies our schools set are killing education too.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Fair enough. Forget it.
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i guess what i'm saying is that there is a lot of evidence out there to make a strong case about the type of people he would nominate for various positions and what ideas he has for America. i'm talking about ideas that go beyond his policies of taxes, economy and social issues.
 
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probably cant be worse than having a former horse judge as the head of FEMA.

Or, making a Supreme Court nomination for your family lawyer.
 
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joevol320 said:
i guess what i'm saying is that there is a lot of evidence out there to make a strong case about the type of people he would nominate for various positions and what ideas he has for America. i'm talking about ideas that go beyond his policies of taxes, economy and social issues.
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George Will said the other day that the real fight behind the scene in presidential elections is that the president gets to pick about 3,000 people to work in Cabinet and sub-Cabinet level positions. These are the people that make sure the trains run on time. They are the ones who truly shape the day-to-day interaction of government and citizenry.

I take from that a couple of things. First, obviously neither McCain nor Obama can sit there and actually parse through applicants for 3,000 jobs. Those things are done by staff. Both have staffs made up of seasoned Washington insider politicos. The reality is that neither McCain nor Obama would go all that far off the reservation in who actually works in these jobs.

Second, I am sure that the further away you get from the center of power, the less ideological the worker. That is to say, some analyst brought in by either McCain or Obama to work on famr subsidies isn't going to care nearly as much about party status as would, say, an actual Cabinet member. Yet, its those lower level folks that make most of the decisions affecting you and I on a daily basis.

Last, neither McCain nor Obama strikes me as an ideologue, anyway. The interesting thing is that, since the nominations, Obama has drifted away from the left, more towards the center. McCain, on the other hand, has moved to the right, trying to motivate and energize the base of his party. Its just election politics and, at the end of the day, neither one of them wants to do harm to the country and neither can wave a magic wand and cause all 3,000 of his appointees to make us socialist or fascist.

It just doesn't work that way.
 
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lawgator1 said:
George Will said the other day that the real fight behind the scene in presidential elections is that the president gets to pick about 3,000 people to work in Cabinet and sub-Cabinet level positions. These are the people that make sure the trains run on time. They are the ones who truly shape the day-to-day interaction of government and citizenry.

I take from that a couple of things. First, obviously neither McCain nor Obama can sit there and actually parse through applicants for 3,000 jobs. Those things are done by staff. Both have staffs made up of seasoned Washington insider politicos. The reality is that neither McCain nor Obama would go all that far off the reservation in who actually works in these jobs.

Second, I am sure that the further away you get from the center of power, the less ideological the worker. That is to say, some analyst brought in by either McCain or Obama to work on famr subsidies isn't going to care nearly as much about party status as would, say, an actual Cabinet member. Yet, its those lower level folks that make most of the decisions affecting you and I on a daily basis.

Last, neither McCain nor Obama strikes me as an ideologue, anyway. The interesting thing is that, since the nominations, Obama has drifted away from the left, more towards the center. McCain, on the other hand, has moved to the right, trying to motivate and energize the base of his party. Its just election politics and, at the end of the day, neither one of them wants to do harm to the country and neither can wave a magic wand and cause all 3,000 of his appointees to make us socialist or fascist.

It just doesn't work that way.
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i understand what your saying, i'm talking more about the people who would be in positions that have a great deal of influence on things like foreign policy, the economy, education, etc... it only takes a couple of people to change policy or creat laws that would effect millions, maybe not instantly but in 5-10 years. we seen examples in our energy policy and education
 
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joevol320 said:
i guess what i'm saying is that there is a lot of evidence out there to make a strong case about the type of people he would nominate for various positions and what ideas he has for America. i'm talking about ideas that go beyond his policies of taxes, economy and social issues.
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you never answered me in the other thread when I asked, name some of these people that he would nominate for various positions. I don't think you can come up with anything damning or you would have answered me the first time.
 
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joevol320 said:
i understand what your saying, i'm talking more about the people who would be in positions that have a great deal of influence on things like foreign policy, the economy, education, etc... it only takes a couple of people to change policy or creat laws that would effect millions, maybe not instantly but in 5-10 years. we seen examples in our energy policy and education
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I cannot imagine extremists like Rev. Wright having an actual voice in policy-making. I just don't think that would ever happen, whether its McCain or Obama.
 
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emainvol said:
you never answered me in the other thread when I asked, name some of these people that he would nominate for various positions. I don't think you can come up with anything damning or you would have answered me the first time.
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oh i don't know of any names. i justthink he's going to nominate people with his same types of beliefs on how he thinks the country should be run. no one knows who get nominated until the announcement is made. i do think if he becomes president and starts making appointments, then you'll start seeing people research his appointments. it will be the same with mccain, i just think obama will me be more radical.
 
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emainvol said:
you never answered me in the other thread when I asked, name some of these people that he would nominate for various positions. I don't think you can come up with anything damning or you would have answered me the first time.
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judging by who he has currently advising him, and some of the people he's had to throw under the bus like Samantha Power, I expect an Obama cabinet to strongly resemble that of Bill Clinton's 2nd term. A token conservative and a whole bunch of neo-socialists who aren't well disposed toward Israel.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I cannot imagine extremists like Rev. Wright having an actual voice in policy-making. I just don't think that would ever happen, whether its McCain or Obama.
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i don't think he would go that far, i do think it would be more suttle. whoever gets elected will have every nominee's background examined by the press. i just wonder if obama is elected, will the mainstream press scrutinize his appointees as they will mccain's
 
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