Is the SEC in trouble?

[DaddyChad]

SEC should be severely punished for being pansies and only playing 8 conference games each year

Lol. There’s only one or two doormats in this conference. You can pretty much see that by the recruiting rankings. We’re not playing “powerhouses” like Northwestern, Minnesota and Creampuff U every weekend. Get back at us when half your conference doesn’t suck.

 

[hUTch2002]

Depending on which version of Georgia we get, they could easily end up being that side of the bracket’s semi-finalist. Between us and Tejas, there’s a pretty decent chance our side of the bracket ends up being an SEC team as well, although my bold prediction is that a team in our cluster (us, OSU, and Oregon) will win it all.

What do you mean by the SEC’s run? A Big Ten team won it last year. If you mean the SEC’s standing as the best/deepest league, that ain’t in jeopardy of changing any time soon.

That’s not much of a bold prediction. Oregon is the 1 seed and the biggest threat outside of our cluster lost their starting QB, potentially for the whole playoff.

 

[deatojl]

There's also a real lack of objective criteria that they are using. I could see the things that the committee values changing from year to year, especially if there are loud objections to them undervaluing/overvaluing something in any given year.

Well, the things they valued changed from team to team, so I don't know why it wouldn't from year to year.

 

[ZZ13]

SEC is a basketball and baseball conference now.

 

[jasonvol18]

Is the SEC in trouble? Doubtful but without question some things need to be changed. Sankey needs to be shown the door and we need a 9 game schedule.

A 9 game schedule isn't gonna happen now. Getting only 3 teams in the CFP all but guaranteed it is staying at 8.

 

[wmcovol]

14-2 in SEC-ACC BB challenge was darn impressive, maybe we need to have a football SEC-B1G challenge series, followed by one with ACC, B12, etc

They’re working on it. Probably be neutral sites & with Amazon Prime or another pay venue broadcasting it.

 

[HighRockvol]

SEC should be severely punished for being pansies and only playing 8 conference games each year

Says the team that played one game all year against a a good team…

 

[HighRockvol]

A 9 game schedule isn't gonna happen now. Getting only 3 teams in the CFP all but guaranteed it is staying at 8.

We just need to schedule like the big 10 have all the top teams play the traditional worst teams, maybe 1 big game a year so as not enough to take anyone out of the playoff

 

[ptcarter]

Which is rich, because they in no way missed the CFP this year because of their OOC schedule.

I live here. Be careful what you wish for. I'm listening to "Locked on Bama" recently. Why? Maybe that word I don't understand "Schadenfreude". Anyway, they have been harping on this. Talking about every OOC game being Mercer. Remember, they beat Wisconsin, so they want credit for that (Vandy could have beaten Wisconsin).

So they rearrange their schedule to get easy wins to get into the playoff. All non SEC games Mercer caliber. Think this through Bama. Do you know how tortuous it is to be a fan and have every game being like playing Mercer. Go back to our game with Kent State. Yes, it's good to get a game where the ticket prices are such that you can bring the yard apes, but EVERY OOC game? Just to get in the playoffs?

I know its all about NIL money, but dang, these players want to play in big venues and in big games. Go ahead Bama, Mercer yourself. And then risk that you don't get in the playoffs anyway. Have fun in Bryant Denny where the Spring game is more exciting. It's like paying Beyonce to come and she doesn't sing.

 

[05_never_again]

I live here. Be careful what you wish for. I'm listening to "Locked on Bama" recently. Why? Maybe that word I don't understand "Schadenfreude". Anyway, they have been harping on this. Talking about every OOC game being Mercer. Remember, they beat Wisconsin, so they want credit for that (Vandy could have beaten Wisconsin).

So they rearrange their schedule to get easy wins to get into the playoff. All non SEC games Mercer caliber. Think this through Bama. Do you know how tortuous it is to be a fan and have every game being like playing Mercer. Go back to our game with Kent State. Yes, it's good to get a game where the ticket prices are such that you can bring the yard apes, but EVERY OOC game? Just to get in the playoffs?

I know its all about NIL money, but dang, these players want to play in big venues and in big games. Go ahead Bama, Mercer yourself. And then risk that you don't get in the playoffs anyway. Have fun in Bryant Denny where the Spring game is more exciting. It's like paying Beyonce to come and she doesn't sing.

They are also assuming that every future committee will vote like this one did, which seems presumptuous. And even with the 3 losses, they had people contorting themselves into knots to try and justify them getting in. They were still the first team out.

They can schedule Mercer every OOC game...if they lose 3 SEC games, especially if 2 of the losses are to 6-6 teams, they won't get in anyway. Even if they lose 2 games and they are both bad losses, they'll still probably get in most years, especially if they have a big win to balance. If they didn't lose to Vandy or OU this year, they would have gotten in and it wouldn't have even been close. They get a benefit of the doubt/less scrutiny than most other teams.

 

[THEONLYTENISEE]

After seeing the way the CFB Playoff lined up with 4 B1G teams in and only 3 SEC teams in it and the TV Payouts being greater for the B1G, is the SEC's run in jeopardy?

I am seeing more and more players getting paid off to go to B1G schools over SEC schools. This could be good or bad for Tennessee, not sure yet but the B1G seems to be climbing and SEC looks vulnerable.

Factor in strength of schedule and get rid of the automatic bye. Byes go to the best teams regardless of conference.

Whether the championship is 4 or 12, it seems the best team still wins. So my guess is Oregon, Texas, or UGA as these were the early favorites.

 

[ptcarter]

They get a benefit of the doubt/less scrutiny than most other teams.

This is the entitlement I've seen for many years. Granted, they have been consistently very good over long periods of time. Trying to be somewhat objective here and I do "get it". Bama most likely could beat SMU 8 out of 10 with what they have now. But have been other years where they literally backed into the playoffs or BCS with a nudge and some luck. I'm to lazy to look, but I remember one year they were definitely out and and a team (I think Pac12) choked on the last weekend of the season and Bama got the nod and went on to win it. I guess to be incredibly good, you also have to be incredibly lucky. You get the feeling though, when the committee looked around, the lobbying wasn't working and the Vandy/OU losses were just too awful. Honestly, South Carolina (to me) had a better argument than them.

If you are curious, here's where I got the "Mercer" thing. It's hilarious. Edit: As I listen to this for a second time (torture) - Boy these guys turn over no stone to convince themselves that they still deserve it. Welcome to the wilderness.

 

[volbound1700]

Which is rich, because they in no way missed the CFP this year because of their OOC schedule.

The easy solution is to just do what I did on my CFB Video game.

Have SEC teams schedule and beat Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, USC, Oregon, etc. Then those teams are not in your way..

 

[volbound1700]

Lol. There’s only one or two doormats in this conference. You can pretty much see that by the recruiting rankings. We’re not playing “powerhouses” like Northwestern, Minnesota and Creampuff U every weekend. Get back at us when half your conference doesn’t suck.

We got Arkansas, Miss State, Vandy, UK, Auburn, and Oklahoma. None of them where that great.

 

[DaddyChad]

We got Arkansas, Miss State, Vandy, UK, Auburn, and Oklahoma. None of them where that great.

Ok. When is the last time Auburn, Oklahoma, hell even Arkansas won a national title? Vandy beat Bama which kept them out of the playoffs also was within three pts of mighty Texas as well. Miss State has been ranked 1st in the country I believe in the last 20-30 years. Everything is cyclical here.

Now do that for some of the big ten teams. Since the 60’s you’ve had Ohio State, Michigan, and Michigan State win national titles. Adding in USC and Oregon of course makes them a bit better. Really though till this year it’s been a two team conference with Penn State occasionally being competitive.

 

[LouderVol]

We got Arkansas, Miss State, Vandy, UK, Auburn, and Oklahoma. None of them where that great.

not that good, but most of those are favored over their counterpart in a neutral site game.

Florida favored by 13.5 over Tulane
Oklahoma favored by 7.5 over Navy
Georgia Tech favored by 2.5 over Vandy
Arkansas favored over T. Tech by 1
TAMU over USCw by 3.5
Missouri favored over Iowa by 3
Bama by 10 over Michigan
S. Car by 9.5 over Illinois
LSU by 1 over Baylor
Ole Miss over Duke by 14.5

GT vs Vandy is the only bowl game from the bottom group where the SEC isn't favored.

 

[wmcovol]

We got Arkansas, Miss State, Vandy, UK, Auburn, and Oklahoma. None of them where that great.

All of those teams are capable of beating good teams ie Ky over Ole Miss, Ark over Tennessee, Vandy & OU over Alabama. Big Ten rarely has major upsets in their league. Tell me a major upset in the last 10 yrs by Rutgers, Indiana, Minnesota, Nebraska & Maryland.

 

[wablty]

Well, the things they valued changed from team to team, so I don't know why it wouldn't from year to year.

That's my (ASU fan) issue with this.

What's important? Is it SOS, which can kind of turn into a circle jerk? SOR? Is it good wins? Is it acceptable losses?

Here's my take. ASU is the 4th seed and has a bye. ASU is not the 4th best team in the country. The #1 and #2 positions were dead on accurate. Oregon, Georgia, easy. Won their conference, bunch of good wins, etc. On the otherhand, ASU would have been the 12 seed as a conference champion with two top 25 wins to Texas's 0, Penn State's 1 (Illinois, 9-3), Notre Dame's 1 (Army, wouldn't be ranked now), Indiana and SMU's 0's, etc.

Like why **** us? ASU went 11-2, won its conference, has two top 25 wins. Both of those games featured 3+ score leads, though they let BYU make it look close with weird cutesy clock management at the end. And BYU had a pretty good resume. Just lost late.

It's not our fault Oklahoma State beat Arkansas, then packed it up and quit. Or that Utah forgot to develop a QB.

The reason I'm okay with autobyes right now is I don't trust the transparency of the committee to tell us what's important, because it's probably going to be code for "Shut up and let us get this big fanbase in." If they'll just tell us the rules, cool. BCS would have had us at 10 and, while I'd have hoped for higher, I can at least live with that.

 

[volbound1700]

That's my (ASU fan) issue with this.

What's important? Is it SOS, which can kind of turn into a circle jerk? SOR? Is it good wins? Is it acceptable losses?

Here's my take. ASU is the 4th seed and has a bye. ASU is not the 4th best team in the country. The #1 and #2 positions were dead on accurate. Oregon, Georgia, easy. Won their conference, bunch of good wins, etc. On the otherhand, ASU would have been the 12 seed as a conference champion with two top 25 wins to Texas's 0, Penn State's 1 (Illinois, 9-3), Notre Dame's 1 (Army, wouldn't be ranked now), Indiana and SMU's 0's, etc.

Like why **** us? ASU went 11-2, won its conference, has two top 25 wins. Both of those games featured 3+ score leads, though they let BYU make it look close with weird cutesy clock management at the end. And BYU had a pretty good resume. Just lost late.

It's not our fault Oklahoma State beat Arkansas, then packed it up and quit. Or that Utah forgot to develop a QB.

The reason I'm okay with autobyes right now is I don't trust the transparency of the committee to tell us what's important, because it's probably going to be code for "Shut up and let us get this big fanbase in." If they'll just tell us the rules, cool. BCS would have had us at 10 and, while I'd have hoped for higher, I can at least live with that.

Arizona State at least won a competitive league, Boise State as a 3 seed was even WORSE.

Big12 at least had Colorado, Kansas State, BYU, Iowa State, etc. I can't even name a single team in Boise State's conference yet they are the #3 overall seed. Penn State being ranked over Ohio State makes 0 sense when Ohio State beat them.

 

[207 others]

I have a weird idea...
The cfb playoff should just be....


#1....

To #12.
Seeds in order , arizona state #12 seed, and yeah bama unfortunately would be in

 

[wmcovol]

I have a weird idea...
The cfb playoff should just be....


#1....

To #12.
Seeds in order , arizona state #12 seed, and yeah bama unfortunately would be in

I’ve got no problem with every major conference champ in. It’s the automatic byes that unevens the brackets.

 

[207 others]

I’ve got no problem with every major conference champ in. It’s the automatic byes that unevens the brackets.

Kinda agree but let's say the big12 has a big drop off next year and my mighty mountaineers win the b12 conference championship with rich Rodriguez, which will happen at some point in the next 4 years, would people really defend us lol I wouldn't I already see on the WV forum people celebrating how CFP is not a 0% chance now with this system and RR returning