Is the SECW just a whole lot better than the SECE??

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You know, up until a few years ago, the SECE was where the conference power seemed to reside most of the time. Sure, every few years the SECW produced a good Auburn team or a good LSU team, but it just felt like it was a one or two year deal and they'd fade and the cream of the SECE crop would again come to the fore.

After last year, and as we enter this year, I wonder if we are not seeing a big change here. Florida seems right now to be the best of the SECE teams. UT and Georgia are good, but not great and while each is certainly capable of beating Florida or the best of the SECW on any given Saturday, it just feels to me like overall the SECW has the better teams in Auburn and LSU. To counter UT and Ga, they have Arky and 'bama.

Then consider last year's results. Yes, UGA won it, but again overall, from top to bottom, didn't it seem like the West was where the power was? Florida got demolished by 'bama and lost to LSU. You guys had that great win against LSU, but otherwise just could not get it going.

I am not saying any of this to start a debate about where UT ranks in the SECE or where any one team ranks relative to SECW. What I'm asking is whether others on here feel that the SECW is, overall, making a move to take over the SEC as a whole?

Sure feels that way to me right now. We will no more as Florida meets 'bama this weekend and then takes on LSU and Auburn back-to-back. Plus of course your games versus LSU and 'bama. At the end of the season, are we going to look back and shake our heads that the SECW, as a whole, is just a notch better.....
 
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lawgator1 said:
You know, up until a few years ago, the SECE was where the conference power seemed to reside most of the time. Sure, every few years the SECW produced a good Auburn team or a good LSU team, but it just felt like it was a one or two year deal and they'd fade and the cream of the SECE crop would again come to the fore.

After last year, and as we enter this year, I wonder if we are not seeing a big change here. Florida seems right now to be the best of the SECE teams. UT and Georgia are good, but not great and while each is certainly capable of beating Florida or the best of the SECW on any given Saturday, it just feels to me like overall the SECW has the better teams in Auburn and LSU. To counter UT and Ga, they have Arky and 'bama.

Then consider last year's results. Yes, UGA won it, but again overall, from top to bottom, didn't it seem like the West was where the power was? Florida got demolished by 'bama and lost to LSU. You guys had that great win against LSU, but otherwise just could not get it going.

I am not saying any of this to start a debate about where UT ranks in the SECE or where any one team ranks relative to SECW. What I'm asking is whether others on here feel that the SECW is, overall, making a move to take over the SEC as a whole?

Sure feels that way to me right now. We will no more as Florida meets 'bama this weekend and then takes on LSU and Auburn back-to-back. Plus of course your games versus LSU and 'bama. At the end of the season, are we going to look back and shake our heads that the SECW, as a whole, is just a notch better.....
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SECE-Spurrier=SECW upperhand.
 
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Auburn and LSU holds the SEC West together, other than those two we out number you with Tennessee, Florida, and Georgia !
 
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I don't think so. You have two good teams in the west and then two mediocre teams as well as the two horrible Mississippi schools.

In the East you have three good teams a mediocre team and two horrible teams. However this year the Easts Horrible teams are better than the wests horrible teams.


Over all I think they balance each other out.
 
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utfantilidie said:
SECE-Spurrier=SECW upperhand.
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Hmmmmmm ... head coaches may be the difference I suppose. LSU and Auburn have undergone positive changes in the last few years. But then again UGA and Florida have, too. UT has its controversy on Fulmer, but jury still out. utfantilidie, you think its just a question of new blood?
 
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VolBeef88 said:
I don't think so. You have two good teams in the west and then two mediocre teams as well as the two horrible Mississippi schools.

In the East you have three good teams a mediocre team and two horrible teams. However this year the Easts Horrible teams are better than the wests horrible teams.


Over all I think they balance each other out.
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Kentucky is a team that really has no excuse. They've got a big school, plenty of dough. Flashes of recruiting good players here and there. In the big picture they really ought to be a lot better than they are.
 
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I would have to say this year SECE has a small upperhand this year. SECW has Auburn LSU (really good teams) Bama and Arkansas (decent teams) then Ole Miss and Miss St. (horrible teams). SECE has UF, GA, and UT (really good teams) SC (decent team),Vandy and UK (horrible teams). You really good teams out weigh theres so I will go with us.
 
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But here in the next 4-5 weeks we will now exactly wheter the SECE or the SECW is better as UF plays Auburn, LSU, and Bama and UT plays Bama, LSU, and Ark.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
I don't think so. You have two good teams in the west and then two mediocre teams as well as the two horrible Mississippi schools.

In the East you have three good teams a mediocre team and two horrible teams. However this year the Easts Horrible teams are better than the wests horrible teams.


Over all I think they balance each other out.
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Florida vs Auburn even
Tennessee vs LSU even
Georgia vs Alabama Georgia
South Carolina vs Ark. even
Kentucy vs Miss. State Kentucky
Vanderbilt vs Ole Miss Ole Miss

Sec East edges Sec West out by +1
 
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I think it is just cyclical and it is there turn to be on top. They went from shuffling coaches in and out to more stable programs and better recruiting at their top level and you can be assured that as Bama returns to full scholly ability that they will be good again too.

Although over the last few years while the SECW might have won more games over the SECE - there were a few blow outs but mostly close games.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Kentucky is a team that really has no excuse. They've got a big school, plenty of dough. Flashes of recruiting good players here and there. In the big picture they really ought to be a lot better than they are.
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Problems at Kentucky, Very little high school talent in football. Less high school talent than Tennessee. Can't recruit nationally. Who would want to go Kentucky to play football. Any good player from a Kentucky high school is surrounding by temptation to leave the state.You have Notre Dame and the Big Ten above. And Tennessee along with the sec below. School will always be a basketball school which means the fans and alumni will not be as hard on the football program.
 
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If they would make the commitment, spend the money to upgrade facilities, and bring in a top notch coach for 6 years or so, a real hard recruiting coach and staff, they could be competitive at the end of that stretch. There are a lot fo teams that recruit nationally with plenty of competition around them. but once you get going, you open up the flood gates because you are on national TV.

Imagine a UK program that for 2-3 years could compete for an SEC championship. They could reall spool that up into something big, if they wanted to.
 
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Mr. Rockytop said:
Florida vs Auburn even
Tennessee vs LSU even
Georgia vs Alabama Georgia
South Carolina vs Ark. even
Kentucy vs Miss. State Kentucky
Vanderbilt vs Ole Miss Ole Miss

Sec East edges Sec West out by +1
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Ole Miss Should be rated higher than Miss. State in the west. Also Kentucky just beat Ole Miss. a couple of weeks ago. Miss. State is by far the worse team in the entire SEC. The Sec east is better from top to bottom mainly due to Ole Miss and Miss. The SEC east bottom 2 programs Kentucky an Vandy are better than the 2 SEC west bottom programs " Ole Miss., Miss. State". All the other programs even out
 
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I will go with the East because of the lower teams in each division. The Mississippi schools are awful. UK and Vandy seem to at least put up a fight against good schools.
 
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SWS22 said:
Ole Miss Should be rated higher than Miss. State in the west. Also Kentucky just beat Ole Miss. a couple of weeks ago. Miss. State is by far the worse team in the entire SEC. The Sec east is better from top to bottom mainly due to Ole Miss and Miss. The SEC east bottom 2 programs Kentucky an Vandy are better than the 2 SEC west bottom programs " Ole Miss., Miss. State". All the other programs even out
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I probably should not have used the phrase "top to bottom." I think I really mean the teams that are -- and forgive the vagueness of this word -- competitive. Let's take the Top 3 from each conference. SECE is Florida, UT, UGA. SECW is Auburn, LSU, Alabama/Arkansas.

The bottom one for each has problems. UGA struggled to beat a bad Colorado team. Alabama/Arkansas just do not ohave their act together ('bama decimated by graduation, injury, and sanctions and Arky just coming around from five years of being awful).

I'm sorry but I think any objective observer would say that, of the remaining four teams, UT is definitely #4. It is hard to view Florida as better right now than both LSU and Auburn. Ergo in my mind the SECW has the edge right now.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Hmmmmmm ... head coaches may be the difference I suppose. LSU and Auburn have undergone positive changes in the last few years. But then again UGA and Florida have, too. UT has its controversy on Fulmer, but jury still out. utfantilidie, you think its just a question of new blood?
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Les Miles is not half the coach Nick Sabian was while at LSU. Right know Miles is playing wtih Sibians recruits. I don't think Miles for Sabian is a positive change. I look for LSU to go down some with Miles as their head coach.
 
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lawgator1 said:
If they would make the commitment, spend the money to upgrade facilities, and bring in a top notch coach for 6 years or so, a real hard recruiting coach and staff, they could be competitive at the end of that stretch. There are a lot fo teams that recruit nationally with plenty of competition around them. but once you get going, you open up the flood gates because you are on national TV.

Imagine a UK program that for 2-3 years could compete for an SEC championship. They could reall spool that up into something big, if they wanted to.
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What top notch coach would want to coach at Kentucky. It's a graveyard for coaches.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I probably should not have used the phrase "top to bottom." I think I really mean the teams that are -- and forgive the vagueness of this word -- competitive. Let's take the Top 3 from each conference. SECE is Florida, UT, UGA. SECW is Auburn, LSU, Alabama/Arkansas.

The bottom one for each has problems. UGA struggled to beat a bad Colorado team. Alabama/Arkansas just do not ohave their act together ('bama decimated by graduation, injury, and sanctions and Arky just coming around from five years of being awful).

I'm sorry but I think any objective observer would say that, of the remaining four teams, UT is definitely #4. It is hard to view Florida as better right now than both LSU and Auburn. Ergo in my mind the SECW has the edge right now.
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Granted LSU and Auburn are the best SEC teams right now, but that is the SEC combined as a whole. The thread is looking at the entire conference and The SEC East edges The SEC West when you look at the entire conference, good as LSU and Auburn are Ole Miss and MIss. State are just as worse.
 
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If your a new team in the conference who would you rather play year in, year out?

Tennessee, Florida, Georgia or

Alabama, Auburn, LSU.

In my mind you want to go to the west. They have the weaker 3 teams, but not by much.
 
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lawgator1 said:
How about Spurrier? They offer him 150% of what he makes at USC and, boom, he's there and finishes things out at UK.
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Spurrier was a good coach, but come on with the type of offense that he ran at and look at where he was at ( Florida). He was in the WR & DB capital of football. A good coach with great players equates to success !
 
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lawgator1 said:
How about Spurrier? They offer him 150% of what he makes at USC and, boom, he's there and finishes things out at UK.
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I don't think Spurrier needs the money. Plus the golf in kentucky sucks compared to South Carolina's.
 
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