Is there a "co championship" banner

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I'm not sure but don't think so.

(We claim a NC from a year we went 9-2, is that close enough?)
 
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Ole Miss has a "2003 SEC West Championship" banner in VHS. It doesn't say "Co-Champion" despite the fact that they tied with LSU and LSU went to Atlanta.
 
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If I'm not mistaken there was a 3 way tie for the East in 2003 (UT, UF, UGA) but Georgia went to Atlanta. I've never seen a 'Co-East Championship' banner or sign about it though.
 
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Evol said:
If I'm not mistaken there was a 3 way tie for the East in 2003 (UT, UF, UGA) but Georgia went to Atlanta. I've never seen a 'Co-East Championship' banner or sign about it though.
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Fulmer tried to play that up and it didn't sit well with many of the fans. Had UT put a banner up, the stadium may have been torn down.

I wasn't in favor of waiving around a co-SEC East flag, but I didn't see the need for some of the fans to get that worked about it.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Fulmer tried to play that up and it didn't sit well with many of the fans. Had UT put a banner up, the stadium may have been torn down.

I wasn't in favor of waiving around a co-SEC East flag, but I didn't see the need for some of the fans to get that worked about it.
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"winning the east" ie being ahead of 5 or 6 other teams does not do anything for me, and is borderline insulting for a team with 13 SEC titles and 6 NC. "division co-champ" is ridiculous, but i can see how it would excite ole piss or kensucky.

however, the ways things have gone over the last few years i am warming up to the idea of a "state of tennessee champions" banner.
 
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tm3 said:
"winning the east" ie being ahead of 5 or 6 other teams does not do anything for me, and is borderline insulting for a team with 13 SEC titles and 6 NC. "division co-champ" is ridiculous, but i can see how it would excite ole piss or kensucky.

however, the ways things have gone over the last few years i am warming up to the idea of a "state of tennessee champions" banner.
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stephenk24 said:
I'm confused by this topic. What do you mean by co-championship banner exactly?
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In SEC football there are 2 divisions, East & West. The winner of each division plays for the SEC title in Atlanta.

Some years there is a divisional tie such as 2003 when UT, UGA, and UF were tied at the top with 6-2 conference records. UGA was chosen as the SEC participant instead of UT or UF. Technically, all 3 were co-champions of the East.

Ole Miss and LSU were tied in the SEC West with 7-1 records. LSU was the West representative because they beat LSU head to head. It looks like Ole Miss decided to hang a banner anyway.
 
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stephenk24 said:
I'm confused by this topic. What do you mean by co-championship banner exactly?
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They hang up banners in the stadium for all of the SEC and National Championships the team has won. This debate is about whether we should hang banners that display the years in which the Vols won divisional titles (i.e. when we won the SEC East, as opposed to the entire SEC Championship) or, worse yet, banners for years in which the Vols tied with other teams (e.g. Florida, South Carolina or Georgia) for a share of the eastern division title. I am firmly against this for a program that boasts such a rich tradition of winning real titles.
 
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Isn't a couple of our 13 SEC titles shared?

I don't think division "titles" should have banners. Not to take anything away from getting to Atlanta but unless you win that game you shouldn't be hanging a banner.
 
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Boca Vol said:
In SEC football there are 2 divisions, East & West. The winner of each division plays for the SEC title in Atlanta.

Some years there is a divisional tie such as 2003 when UT, UGA, and UF were tied at the top with 6-2 conference records. UGA was chosen as the SEC participant instead of UT or UF. Technically, all 3 were co-champions of the East.

Ole Miss and LSU were tied in the SEC West with 7-1 records. LSU was the West representative because they beat LSU head to head. It looks like Ole Miss decided to hang a banner anyway.
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That's mad. I didn't really think about that scenario. It's unfair. Do they chose who goes to the title game based on strength of schedule?
 
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stephenk24 said:
That's mad. I didn't really think about that scenario. It's unfair. Do they chose who goes to the title game based on strength of schedule?
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there's a formula to figure it out, but I don't recall exactly what it is at the moment.

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In the event of a tie for the division championship, the following procedures will be used to break all ties to determine the SEC Football Championship Game representative. All Conference versus Conference Games (both division and non-division) will be counted in the Conference Standings.

A. TWO-TEAM TIE

1. Head-to-head competition between the two tied teams.
2. Records of the tied teams within the division.
3. Head-to-head competition vs. the team within the division with the best overall record (divisional and non-divisional) Conference record and proceeding through the division. Multiple ties within the division will be broken from first to last.
4. Overall record vs. all common non-divisional opponents.
5. Combined record vs. all common non-divisional teams.
6. Record vs. common non-divisional team with the best overall Conference (divisional and non-divisional) record and proceeding through other common non-divisional teams based on their order of finish within their division.
7. The tied team with the highest ranking in the Bowl Championship Series Standings following the last weekend of regular-season games shall be the divisional representative in the SEC Championship Game.


B. THREE (OR MORE) TEAM TIE

1. (Once the tie has been reduced to two teams, go to the two-team tie-breaker format.)
2. Combined head-to-head record among the tied teams.
3. Record of the tied teams within the division.
4. Head-to-head competition vs. the team within the division with the best overall (divisional and non-divisional) Conference record and proceeding through the division. Multiple ties within the division will be broken from first to last.
5. Overall record vs. non-division teams.
6. Combined record vs. all common non-divisional teams.
7. Record vs. common non-divisional team with the best overall Conference (divisional and non-divisional) record and proceeding through other common non-divisional teams based on their order of finish within their division.
8. The tied team with the highest ranking in the Bowl Championship Series Standings following the last weekend of regular-season games shall be the divisional representative in the SEC Championship Game, unless the second of the tied teams is ranked within five-or-fewer places of the highest ranked tied team. In this case, the head-to-head results of the top two ranked tied teams shall determine the representative in the SEC Championship Game.
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SEC Divisional Tie-Breaker > SEC > NEWS
 
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stephenk24 said:
That's mad. I didn't really think about that scenario. It's unfair. Do they chose who goes to the title game based on strength of schedule?
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1st Tiebreaker is head-to-head

2nd is division record

3rd is head to head results against the division team with the best overall record

And there are a bunch more. For a three-way tie it ultimately makes its way to BCS ranking.
 
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Coaches claim co-championships on their resumes all the time. I have no problem with a school if it chooses to do the same.
 
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Boca Vol said:
In SEC football there are 2 divisions, East & West. The winner of each division plays for the SEC title in Atlanta.

Some years there is a divisional tie such as 2003 when UT, UGA, and UF were tied at the top with 6-2 conference records. UGA was chosen as the SEC participant instead of UT or UF. Technically, all 3 were co-champions of the East.

Ole Miss and LSU were tied in the SEC West with 7-1 records. LSU was the West representative because they beat LSU head to head. It looks like Ole Miss decided to hang a banner anyway.
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The SEC doesn't award "co-championships."

The SEC, in all sports, awards SEC Championships and Division Championships to every team that has a qualifying record. There is no such thing as a "co-champion" in the SEC. Every team gets a plaque or trophy that says simply "Champion."

After Championships are awarded, the league then breaks ties for tournament seeding or for a representative in the Football Championship game.

But every school with a qualifying record is declared a champion given a trophy, allowed to purchase rings and hang banners.
 
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reVealed said:
Coaches claim co-championships on their resumes all the time. I have no problem with a school if it chooses to do the same.
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I also have no problem with it, so long as it is not the Vols. We shouldn't commemorate moral victories and hang said commemorations in Neyland with banners of real victories. What's next? SEC East's Most Improved Team banners?
 
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