Is this it for Peyton?

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He hasn't been good, but let's be honest, the offensive woes are not even mostly on him. The offense is below average, but the passing game is about average, the run game has been putrid and the WRs aren't making plays.

Yeah he's thrown 7 or 8 picks, but like 3 or 4 of them were tipped balls.
 
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Hate to see him like this, but I agree with jakez, he's all out of gas. Age and health have caught up to him, and he needs to ride off into the sunset after this season.

One of the greatest to ever play the game.
 
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VolFootballnut said:
The Broncos pregame show a couple of weeks ago made it sound like Peyton's neck may be bothering him again. He said Peyton has tingling in the fingers of his throwing hand.
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yeah i heard that. if that's the case, then he's really done.

and probably should be.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
You'd think PM was RG3 the way he's being blasted.
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nah, but you can't watch him this year vs. the last 2-3 years and say everthing's tip top.

he's gotten older, he's had a significant injury...

sometimes it's just over.

RGIII was over before it started.
 
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It's hard to be critical of Manning other than facing the truth that he is immobile and his arm is weak. He's made some poor decisions, but it's pretty amazing what he's been able to make of his physical abilities. This is blown way out of proportion because his offensive teammates aren't lifting him up. If CJ Anderson was a top back like he was supposed to be, Manning would have a lot fewer mistakes and they'd have won these games easier. We'd be saying "he's old but he's doing pretty good."

He's definitely not earning that $15M this year. I think if they iron out the kinks and the O line plays cohesively, they could be a top 10 caliber offense.
 
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ATP last year he looked every bit like the guy who threw a NFL record 55 touchdowns in 2013. I just don't think he can drop off so much without having a underlying injury.

With a running game and Peyton playing up to %70 of what he did last year and the Broncos are arguably Super Bowl favorites.
 
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n_huffhines said:
It's hard to be critical of Manning other than facing the truth that he is immobile and his arm is weak. He's made some poor decisions, but it's pretty amazing what he's been able to make of his physical abilities. This is blown way out of proportion because his offensive teammates aren't lifting him up. If CJ Anderson was a top back like he was supposed to be, Manning would have a lot fewer mistakes and they'd have won these games easier. We'd be saying "he's old but he's doing pretty good."

He's definitely not earning that $15M this year. I think if they iron out the kinks and the O line plays cohesively, they could be a top 10 caliber offense.
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CJ Anderson was never a top back. People expected him to be good because defenses would back off because of Manning, which they don't anymore. Plus the line sucks.

Peyton has just made some really bad decisions. Hard to blame his RB for that.
 
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Sin City Vol said:
He has really struggled with velocity in these first 2 games... I hope this isn't the end of his career
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You mean the 6-0 Peyton Manning? I think he should have retired after last season. I guess he came back to find out and now has his answer. Funny if they won the title with their defense.
 
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he is a business man......not a football coach.....he will visit, cannot see him moving to Knoxville. He would be an asset to east Tennessee and the whole state
 
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RoaminVol said:
He's gotta start somewhere.... Just another fun thread for those bored people on VN.
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Otis07 said:
he is a business man......not a football coach.....he will visit, cannot see him moving to Knoxville. He would be an asset to east Tennessee and the whole state
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there's some rumors about the Mannings buying in, or buying out, the saints once football is over....

so, i don't know that i'd expect Peyton to come back to Knoxville to coach anytime soon.
 
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VKAman said:
CJ Anderson was never a top back. People expected him to be good because defenses would back off because of Manning, which they don't anymore. Plus the line sucks.

Peyton has just made some really bad decisions. Hard to blame his RB for that.
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n_huffhines said:
If CJ Anderson was a top back like he was supposed to be
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I didn't say he was ever a top back. He was on the rise and picked 12th overall on average in fantasy. People expected him to be better because of Kubiak. He's worse because Kubiak's system failed and the line is jumbled and no Clady.

People act like they are stacking 9 in the box. A lot of people face tough run D and almost all of them get more than 2.7 YPA. You cannot tell me that is on Manning, good grief.

You wanna put the run game on Manning, but it works both ways. The run helps open up the pass and vice versa....so that just leaves one simple question...which is worse, the run game or the pass game?

As far as bad decisions go, yeah it's happening, but he's throwing as soon as he snaps it. He's going to make some bad decisions. When you count tipped ball picks, that leaves him with about 5 picks that were straight up bad decisions. 5 bad decisions in 6 (won) games when you don't have time, no arm, and no run support really isn't that bad.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I didn't say he was ever a top back. He was on the rise and picked 12th overall on average in fantasy. People expected him to be better because of Kubiak. He's worse because Kubiak's system failed and the line is jumbled and no Clady.

People act like they are stacking 9 in the box. A lot of people face tough run D and almost all of them get more than 2.7 YPA. You cannot tell me that is on Manning, good grief.

You wanna put the run game on Manning, but it works both ways. The run helps open up the pass and vice versa....so that just leaves one simple question...which is worse, the run game or the pass game?

As far as bad decisions go, yeah it's happening, but he's throwing as soon as he snaps it. He's going to make some bad decisions. When you count tipped ball picks, that leaves him with about 5 picks that were straight up bad decisions. 5 bad decisions in 6 (won) games when you don't have time, no arm, and no run support really isn't that bad.
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I don't care where he was fantasy drafted. I'm saying he was never going to be a top back because he just isn't especially talented. Whoever was saying he was "supposed to be" this elite player had no idea what they were talking about.

I'm not blaming Manning for the run game. But if people expected Anderson to have 1500 yards or whatever, it was probably because they expected him to be facing 6-man fronts, which he's not anymore.

There are a lot of bad decisions that don't result in interceptions.
 
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12th in the entire league in fantasy. Everybody was buying it because the talking heads were selling it. Anderson did 4.7 YPA last year and they added Kubiak. I think hindsight bias is at play here.

I guarantee you there are twice as many drops as bad decisions on Manning's part.

I have watched every snap. DT isn't getting any separation and he's not making big plays. He dropped 2 very easy first downs last week (1 forced a long down and distance where Manning threw a pick). Owen Daniels is OK.

The only guys doing well are Hillman and Sanders, and even Sanders isn't making best uses of his chances (based on what we've seen from him).
 
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n_huffhines said:
12th in the entire league in fantasy. Everybody was buying it because the talking heads were selling it. Anderson did 4.7 YPA last year and they added Kubiak. I think hindsight bias is at play here.

I guarantee you there are twice as many drops as bad decisions on Manning's part.

I have watched every snap. DT isn't getting any separation and he's not making big plays. He dropped 2 very easy first downs last week (1 forced a long down and distance where Manning threw a pick). Owen Daniels is OK.

The only guys doing well are Hillman and Sanders, and even Sanders isn't making best uses of his chances (based on what we've seen from him).
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I'm talking about talent and traits, not numbers. The former scout types didn't see him as a top-20 back even before the season started. It's not hindsight to say that now, just as it isn't foresight to say that Devonta Freeman isn't this perennial Pro Bowl-caliber player. Manning's backs generally have an inherent advantage because defenses back off, but they've stopped doing that and Denver is left with average backs behind a bad offensive line.

Demaryius Thomas has gotten stone hands in crunch time for years now. Even at the beginning of last season, he looked much the same way. It's not just drops.
 
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FWIW, I think we agree that it's a number of things, but I actually think he's shown decent arm strength at times. But he wobbles other throws, makes bad decisions, and plays behind an awful line. As a result, defenses obviously aren't worried about him beating them deep.
 
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Also, once pressure gets to him, Manning cannot reset his feet and make big time throws like he us to. He can't throw especially deep to keep safeties back.
 
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zjcvols said:
Also, once pressure gets to him, Manning cannot reset his feet and make big time throws like he us to. He can't throw especially deep to keep safeties back.
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Though this is true, he was on point on every deep throw last week (except one he purposefully overthrew because of coverage).
 
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