Israel vs Palestinians

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C/O said:
They’re not scared of the people. They are scared of their votes.
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Mostly. But when you’ve got people screaming about the glories of martyrdom , It’s not out of the realm of possibility that they may be a little scared scared of them too. I doubt Ivy League administrators have much experience with the ugly side of life.
 
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EasternVol said:
I saw a longer video yesterday of that conversation. The cop seemed pretty reasonable in his attempts to keep the situation under control. It sounded like Mr. Falter had earlier tried to antagonize the crowd and seemed to be on his way to do it again.
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Yes - being Jewish in the middle of an anti-Israel march can certainly come across that way lol.

Still have tried to apologize twice for “openly Jewish”
 
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sonofUT62 said:
I love people protesting. Vive le difference. The problem I have is that these folks have gone WAY beyond what any other demographic would get away with. I watched anti- war protesters arrested and permanently banned from GA Techs campus during the lead up to Iraq 2 in 2003. Hell the Ohio National Guard shot and killed 4 people for this level of protest, maybe a little less. The administration is scared **** less of these people and it shows.
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They're scared of both factions and that's a problem (that they're scared of students).
 
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85SugarVol said:
Yes - being Jewish in the middle of an anti-Israel march can certainly come across that way lol.

Still have tried to apologize twice for “openly Jewish”
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No, that wasn't it. It wasn't a matter of being Jewish. It was a matter of him having had walked counter to the flow of the demonstration to elicit a reaction and getting ready to do it again. The guy's an activist and he was looking for clicks.
 
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EasternVol said:
No, that wasn't it. It wasn't a matter of being Jewish. It was a matter of him have had walked counter to the flow of the demonstration to elicit a reaction and getting ready to do it again. The guy's an activist and he was looking for clicks.
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I read the article. The Met is certainly trying to get their perspective and narrative out.

But yea - his open Jewishness was clearly the biggest concern for the officers.
 
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EasternVol said:
Yeah, about that...
www.theguardian.com

Initial story about ‘openly Jewish’ incident not full picture, says ex-senior Met officer

Gideon Falter, the antisemitism campaigner involved, says Dal Babu’s comments go ‘far beyond victim-blaming’
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Even more questions then.

Would they not let him counter protest?

Does his being at a protest absolve the party/parties involved should they commit violence on him?

If this was a Jewish protest would they not allow Palestinians to counter their protest?

If everyone is being treated equal and to their laws I have no problem with it. But these seem appropriate questions.
 
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KB5252 said:
Even more questions then.

Would they not let him counter protest?

Does his being at a protest absolve the party/parties involved should they commit violence on him?

If this was a Jewish protest would they not allow Palestinians to counter their protest?

If everyone is being treated equal and to their laws I have no problem with it. But these seem appropriate questions.
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They should certainly allow counter protests. Him getting in the middle of the pro-Palestinian demonstrators and moving counter to their flow wouldn't be much of a protest though; it's more a provocation.
 
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EasternVol said:
They're scared of both factions and that's a problem (that they're scared of students).
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I don’t think they’re scared of the Jewish students. I think they’re scared of losing their parents money but I certainly can’t prove that in any manner where I would argue with you about it.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
I don’t think they’re scared of the Jewish students. I think they’re scared of losing their parents money but I certainly can’t prove that in any manner where I would argue with you about it.
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They're cracking down on the pro-Palestinian protesters, That's in response to complaints from pro-Israel students and donors. The administrations go whichever way the wind blows.
 
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EasternVol said:
They should certainly allow counter protests. Him getting in the middle of the pro-Palestinian demonstrators and moving counter to their flow wouldn't be much of a protest though; it's more a provocation.
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Were they allowing others to counter the protest? My issue with the conversation is about the openly Jewish comment. That shouldn't be a factor.

Was the protest happening on a public street or in a designated area for protest? If it's a public street IMO he should be able to do as he wishes within the law. If it causes others to act out in violation of the law then hold them responsible. If he's doing something illegal hold him responsible. Antagonizing others who are antagonizing isn't or rather shouldn't be against the law.
 
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EasternVol said:
That's what I said.
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I don't think they are scared of Jewish students. I think they are scared of losing the broader Jewish vote and the money they donate to Democrats. That's big in larger cities in places like New York, California etc.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
Yes well in 1998 I had a weakness for girls in leather pants and Rage Against the Machine t shirts. Too late now.
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It's not too late. Sure some of that never goes away, but with medical advancements, there are lots of treatment options. Talk to your Drs. They can probably prescribe something that will help.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Ok just making sure. That’s laughable.
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Let me clarify since there are Jewish students on both sides of the debate. They're afraid of Pro-Palestinian students and they're afraid of pro-Israeli students. Their actions show it. If you think it's laughable then you let your prejudices blind you.
 
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EasternVol said:
Let me clarify since there are Jewish students on both sides of the debate. They're afraid of Pro-Palestinian students and they're afraid of pro-Israeli students. Their actions show it. If you think it's laughable then you let your prejudices blind you.
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What are Jewish students doing that has them scared?
 
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