Israel working with known terrorist group to target Iranian nuclear scientists

#26
#26
what happened in Iran 50 years ago isn't all that important now, either.
Obviously, the people of Iran see it differently.

What if you had a relative/friend who was an anti-Shah dissident who was arrested, tortured, and/or killed by the Shah, who was installed by the United States after they orchestrated an overthrow of a leader your people democratically elected? What if you had a friend/relative who was killed in the Iran-Iraq War, a conflict started by an unprovoked invasion by Saddam, who the United States sold arms to at that time?

What if the United States, a number of years later, invaded and overthrew governments on both your eastern and western borders, routinely floats aircraft carriers and battleships right off your coast, labels you as part of an "Axis of Evil," and threatened to attack you if you continued to pursue nuclear weapons? Your biggest regional enemy, Israel, has between 200 and 400 of them, has not ruled out using them against you, and has essentially a blank check of support from the United States.

I'm not saying this because Iran is a saint. Far from it. Are they anti-Semitic? Absolutely. Are they an oppressive regime? Absolutely. My point is that what they are doing is by no means irrational and is very easy to understand why they are are doing it.
 
#28
#28
Obviously, the people of Iran see it differently.

What if you had a relative/friend who was an anti-Shah dissident who was arrested, tortured, and/or killed by the Shah, who was installed by the United States after they orchestrated an overthrow of a leader your people democratically elected? What if you had a friend/relative who was killed in the Iran-Iraq War, a conflict started by an unprovoked invasion by Saddam, who the United States sold arms to at that time?

What if the United States, a number of years later, invaded and overthrew governments on both your eastern and western borders, routinely floats aircraft carriers and battleships right off your coast, labels you as part of an "Axis of Evil," and threatened to attack you if you continued to pursue nuclear weapons? Your biggest regional enemy, Israel, has between 200 and 400 of them, has not ruled out using them against you, and has essentially a blank check of support from the United States.

I'm not saying this because Iran is a saint. Far from it. Are they anti-Semitic? Absolutely. Are they an oppressive regime? Absolutely. My point is that what they are doing is by no means irrational and is very easy to understand why they are are doing it.

what if that Iranian girl, Nena I think her name was, was your sister, and despite your pleas from the streets of Iran for Barack Obama and the US to at least extend your moral support, you got nothing but a cold shoulder?

we can play the anecdotal garbage all night long, but the fact remains that the people of Iran aren't oppressed because the United States installed the Shah 50 years ago, they are repressed because they are governed by a fanatical group of theocratic thugs.
 
#32
#32
Ancient history or antiquity ended with the fall of Rone and the start of the middle ages. So about 6-700 years before the crusades.

ha. I sometimes forget I'm not the only one throwing sh!t at people from under a bridge.
 
#33
#33
what if that Iranian girl, Nena I think her name was, was your sister, and despite your pleas from the streets of Iran for Barack Obama and the US to at least extend your moral support, you got nothing but a cold shoulder?

we can play the anecdotal garbage all night long, but the fact remains that the people of Iran aren't oppressed because the United States installed the Shah 50 years ago, they are repressed because they are governed by a fanatical group of theocratic thugs.

The fact is that the United States has meddled in Iran's internal affairs on a regular basis since the early 1950s. The "anecdotal garbage" I talked about is why "they" hate the United States and Israel. How did the current Islamic theocracy in Iran rise to power? Actions taken by the United States directly led to a situation where they could take power.

By the way, if you think Iranian dissident groups get the cold shoulder from the United States you're either incredibly naive or willfully ignorant.
 

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