It's a simple question for LV fans

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cwbytruckers said:
Leave Holly in charge. Kentucky, South Carolina and Mississippi State have passed us by. Texas A&M new to the conference but have also passed us by.
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Even if that happens (and that's a big if) that's still not an Old Dominion or Louisiana Tech level of irrelevance... and you mentioned USC? They were a one 4 year run wonder 30 years ago with Miller and Cooper.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Even if that happens (and that's a big if) that's still not an Old Dominion or Louisiana Tech level of irrelevance... and you mentioned USC? They were a one 4 year run wonder 30 years ago with Miller and Cooper.
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I will give you the USC one. But Old Dominion and Tech were not considered mid major programs back in the day. They were power house programs. And slowly woman's basketball started to gain ground. And today as parity becomes more and more. UCONN will find itself dropping off as well. And with more and more parity it will be harder for dynasty types to maintain. And once you fall off the right coach can bring back a program. But we don't need to kill it before it's dead. We need new blood. SOON!!!!!
 
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cwbytruckers said:
I will give you the USC one. But Old Dominion and Tech were not considered mid major programs back in the day. They were power house programs. And slowly woman's basketball started to gain ground. And today as parity becomes more and more. UCONN will find itself dropping off as well. And with more and more parity it will be harder for dynasty types to maintain. And once you fall off the right coach can bring back a program. But we don't need to kill it before it's dead. We need new blood. SOON!!!!!
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I didn't say they were mid major programs. I said that they were in mid major conferences without the resources (especially fan support) that an SEC program would have. You're right that the landscape of women's basketball changed in the early 00's as more teams from major conferences made a commitment to the sport. Oklahoma famously tried to drop women's bball in 1990 but made the championship game 12 years later. That sort of new found commitment from major athletic departments swallowed those two programs up. I'm also not defending Holly. Her team definitely underachieved this season - big time.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I didn't say they were mid major programs. I said that they were in mid major conferences without the resources (especially fan support) that an SEC program would have. You're right that the landscape of women's basketball changed in the early 00's as more teams from major conferences made a commitment to the sport. Oklahoma famously tried to drop women's bball in 1990 but made the championship game 12 years later. That sort of new found commitment from major athletic departments swallowed those two programs up. I'm also not defending Holly. Her team definitely underachieved this season - big time.
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Right here is a big reason so much crap gets started on here. I think you and I are mostly on the same page. But misunderstanding each other on some points. I myself not really bashing or defending Holly either. I think as fans. And I mean MUST of us. We are just frustrated at the decline and we are worried about the future of our Lady Vols. And after watching what has happened with football and men's basketball. Heck for that matter our vollyball team. The leaders at UT either wait to long to make a change. Or don't have the balls to do so.
 
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cwbytruckers said:
Right here is a big reason so much crap gets started on here. I think you and I are mostly on the same page. But misunderstanding each other on some points. I myself not really bashing or defending Holly either. I think as fans. And I mean MUST of us. We are just frustrated at the decline and we are worried about the future of our Lady Vols. And after watching what has happened with football and men's basketball. Heck for that matter our vollyball team. The leaders at UT either wait to long to make a change. Or don't have the balls to do so.
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I would agree with that and the current state of our women's bball team is a hard one to negotiate. Three out of four Elite 8's is a step down for the program but you can't fire a coach for that. As fans who follow the team, we can easily see the decline and yet it's still a degree of success that most teams would like to have. The administration almost HAS to wait until the bottom drops out. Hart's hands are tied. Can you imagine the backlash of firing a female coach after an Elite 8 appearance while we're fighting a Title IX suit? That just can't happen.

Tennessee women's bball will make a comeback eventually, however. Players who want to play in a major conference with great facilities in a large and usually full (or semi full) arena in front of passionate fans (and many times on national television) with a great tradition don't have many better options.
 
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Vfl2407 said:
As much as many of us personally love Holly as a VFL, what does our fan base deserve?

Do we deserve to have the best there is and annual trips to the Final Four or not?
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I get what your saying and generally agree with you, I think. But that word "deserve" causes a strange sort of rejection in me. Living in an "entitlement" generation causes this for me.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I would agree with that and the current state of our women's bball team is a hard one to negotiate. Three out of four Elite 8's is a step down for the program but you can't fire a coach for that. As fans who follow the team, we can easily see the decline and yet it's still a degree of success that most teams would like to have. The administration almost HAS to wait until the bottom drops out. Hart's hands are tied. Can you imagine the backlash of firing a female coach after an Elite 8 appearance while we're fighting a Title IX suit? That just can't happen.

Tennessee women's bball will make a comeback eventually, however. Players who want to play in a major conference with great facilities in a large and usually full (or semi full) arena in front of passionate fans (and many times on national television) with a great tradition don't have many better options.
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Some good points no doubt.

Admins need to be patient and do the work behind the scenes now. We'll need to sleep in the bed we (utad) has made a little while.

When recruiting goes average, the death spiral will come quickly. The admins need to execute a diligent plan and bring in the real answer. We fans will need to be patient and endure some more "firsts" of failure.

We took the emotionally easy transition 4 years ago and now the "chickens are coming home to roost". Winning titles is extremely difficult. You can't take "vacations form diligence" and not expect to fall from that place.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Even if that happens (and that's a big if) that's still not an Old Dominion or Louisiana Tech level of irrelevance... and you mentioned USC? They were a one 4 year run wonder 30 years ago with Miller and Cooper.
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It is about recruiting and coaching players to reach their potential. Right now we have very little of either. The program is a sell you just need someone to sell it. What happened to the Old Dominions and Louisiana Tech basketball programs were poor recruiting and coaching. Do we not see that same thing creeping into the Lady Vol program. No matter how difficult it is, we need to face reality.
 
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It is always amazing to hear from fan base that our recruits are mostly overrated..... how can those who judge be wrong on 7 HS All American players voted to that lofty status.... then they come to Tennessee and they automatically are overrated..... we can't coach them.... Tara can. Muffet can., Kim can.... what gives.....
 
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governmentmule said:
there not to far away dean they are a top 8 team this year :hi:
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#1: They sure didn't look like a top anything team in their finale.
#2: Only 3 (max) women's basketball teams even worth watching, & I'm afraid UCONN is making a joke of that. :whistling:
 
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The thing about UCONN the national champion for 2016 is they are much better coached, they are physically tougher than any other program they play and their players are more like a Professional team in the way they respond to adversity.

The coaches at UCONN are top notch who would not want to play for them.
Last nights game, two players Stewie and maybe Mariah hit the floor hard , both jumped up and sprinted down floor to get on defense. I have seen too many times our players lay on the floor in pain, waiting for the whistle to blow and someone come out, rub them on the shoulder and say everything is going to be all right.
Winning is an attitude and winners like to play on teams that win. Right now that Jewel of a Team is UCONN.

You don't have to like what I have written, just realize that for the near future everyone will want to be like UCONN!
 
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you think UConn has super women? Maybe they just steroid up and mask pain that way?

More likely is they didn't fall awkwardly and hit on a bone, chair, or get stepped/fallen on. Much easier to react to falling on your tush than banging your head into an elbow...
 
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So another thread turns into a UCONN love fest....yall do realize they have their own forum where you can go and become a member right??
 
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An interesting byproduct of last night's games is that all four teams going to the Final Four this year have male coaches. What does that say about the advances made by women since Title IX went into effect? I believe that jobs should be filled by the most qualified candidate regardless of gender, race, or sexual orientation. But yet it will seem strange to see no female head coaches at the Final Four.
 
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LadyVol1908 said:
So another thread turns into a UCONN love fest....yall do realize they have their own forum where you can go and become a member right??
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No UCONN love fest from me. Just the facts, ma'am. IMO geno is a dirtbag, but his teams play harder & more consistent than others. :whistling:
 
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teacherdean said:
It is about recruiting and coaching players to reach their potential. Right now we have very little of either. The program is a sell you just need someone to sell it. What happened to the Old Dominions and Louisiana Tech basketball programs were poor recruiting and coaching. Do we not see that same thing creeping into the Lady Vol program. No matter how difficult it is, we need to face reality.
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Sure it's about recruiting and coaching but we have nothing in common with Old Dominion and Louisiana Tech who were both destined to fade into obscurity once more major college athletic departments began taking women's basketball seriously. Players like Seimone Augustus were going to Louisiana Tech in the 80's and 90's but in the 00's they went to LSU. Louisiana Tech tried to bring Mulkey back after Barmore retired but Baylor stepped up to the plate and made her an offer that La Tech couldn't match. Tennessee obviously has superior resources to those teams.
 
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