Its Do or Die

#26
#26
Originally posted by orangetd88@Sep 19, 2005 1:37 PM
They did move the ball in the 4th quarter, on their last fg drive.  That essentially put the game away.
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Excellent point. Lost in all the fuss about Gator injuries and the complaints about UT coaching is the fact that UF took about 8 minutes and 16 plays to march down and put the game out of reach. No one calling Leak "Chrissy" today. In fact, he took some hits and kept getting up. Had a nice run for a first down on one of the first half drives, too.
 
#28
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Originally posted by KnoxKDX@Sep 19, 2005 3:03 PM
He's still Chrissy, though...that's just the way it is.
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First sour grapes I've seen about that game, yet.
 
#31
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Vols have to take care of business "one game at a time" and currently that is LSU. :eek:k: Have to put at least 3 TD's on the board and hold LSU to 17 or less. The Vol defense is good but the offense has to step up "BIG TIME" if they are to EXCELL! :thumbsup: The running game has to "SHOWCASE!" Riggs needs over 150 and the passing attack needs no INT's and at least have a 60% plus completion rate.
The Vols need to be 3-1 going up against the DAWGS or the season is over and we can look at a lower echelon bowl-Gator or Peach. An 8-3 season won't be as good as 9-2 or 10-1,even though it's a winning season. A lot of teams would like to have the Vols success. :eek:k: If we don't win at least one of the two big games in the SEC East, it's a tough season. The SEC West isn't getting any easier. LSU is stepping up more often and they're tough. Seems there is always a tough team in the SEC West, whether it's LSU, Auburn or Bama. Ocassionally, every so often Mississippi State or Arkansas will win the West. In my opinion, only 3 teams vie for the SEC East-UT, Gators and Dawgs. Is there any other? NO! :eek:k:
GO VOLS BEAT LSU!!!!!! Sic'em Smokey!!!!! :eek:k: :thumbsup:
 
#32
#32
Originally posted by bleedingorange@Sep 19, 2005 3:13 PM
hey lawgator i have not heard anything on the status of Caldwell, have u heard anything
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Like racerX says, broken leg and he is out for foreseeable future. No reliable prognostication on whether it is career ending.

I watched the replay a few times that night. Just one of those quirky things -- didn't look all that bad on tv. Not anything especially violent about it. Guess it just struck him the right way on the wrong place.

 
#33
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Originally posted by lawgator1@Sep 19, 2005 2:46 PM
Excellent point.  Lost in all the fuss about Gator injuries and the complaints about UT coaching is the fact that UF took about 8 minutes and 16 plays to march down and put the game out of reach.  No one calling Leak "Chrissy" today.  In fact, he took some hits and kept getting up.  Had a nice run for a first down on one of the first half drives, too.
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He's still Chrissy. That hasn't changed.

He didn't impress me any, except for the one scramble. Other than that, he was just average.

But, he got the win, and we did not. That is all that matters.

One thing I have seen little mention of is the 3rd down pass to the goal line that Brett Smith did not catch. Had he caught that, or had it not gone to replay, this is a totally different game. Not saying it was a bad call, because they got it right after review, but how big was that review, in hindsight?
 
#35
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Originally posted by orangetd88@Sep 19, 2005 3:30 PM


One thing I have seen little mention of is the 3rd down pass to the goal line that Brett Smith did not catch.  Had he caught that, or had it not gone to replay, this is a totally different game.  Not saying it was a bad call, because they got it right after review, but how big was that review, in hindsight?
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Huge. I did see a lot of posts on here for that during the game thread. Most agreed that it was right to overturn the call on the field. A few argued insufficient evidence to overturn. One or two complained that the guy was held at the endzone right before diving to try to make the catch.

I think it was the right call because from that straight-on angle you could see both of the guy's hands on TOP of the ball as it hit the ground. Don't know if you noticed it, but another Gator player was coming into the frame of that shot. Had he been a few inches to his right, it would have blocked that view and I don't think they overturn it without that view.

They say its a game of inches. True, even on replays!
 
#36
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Oh, I'm not disagreeing with the call at all. The ball clearly hit the ground before he gained complete control. The officials got it right.

I know if, if, if...but if we do convert that, and take a td lead into the half, it's a completely different game.

Those are the type of catches this wr corps has been hyped to make. Everyone wants to say the qb's have not been getting the ball there (which they haven't consistently), but when they do, you gotta be able to make that catch.
 
#37
#37
Originally posted by lawgator1@Sep 19, 2005 3:07 PM
First sour grapes I've seen about that game, yet.
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Hey, Chrissy boy is still under .500 against the big orange.
 
#38
#38
Originally posted by orangetd88@Sep 19, 2005 4:47 PM
Oh, I'm not disagreeing with the call at all.  The ball clearly hit the ground before he gained complete control.  The officials got it right.
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I will ask again, is it possible to have control if your hands aren't under the football but are on the sides of it instead? I'm not saying it was a wrong call either, I'm just wondering what the rule is on that. I think he caught it but it did touch the ground. I don't know, doesn't matter now.

If it is seen touching the ground, must it always be an INC?
 
#39
#39
Originally posted by Orangewhiteblood@Sep 19, 2005 3:54 PM
I will ask again, is it possible to have control if your hands aren't under the football but are on the sides of it instead?  I'm not saying it was a wrong call either, I'm just wondering what the rule is on that.  I think he caught it but it did touch the ground.  I don't know, doesn't matter now.

If it is seen touching the ground, must it always be an INC?
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No, but his hands were under it, then he bobbled, it hit the ground, and he then gained control afterward.

Had his hands been on the sides of the ball, and had he not bobbled it, then yes, it would have been completed.
 
#40
#40
Originally posted by orangetd88@Sep 19, 2005 5:11 PM
No, but his hands were under it, then he bobbled, it hit the ground, and he then gained control afterward. 

Had his hands been on the sides of the ball, and had he not bobbled it, then yes, it would have been completed.
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Ok thanks, that's all I wanted to know. I wasn't really clear on that and didn't see the bobble myself but I was walking around acting like a lunatic so I probably missed a lot.
 
#41
#41
I think the rule states that it can hit the ground as longs as he has "possession" of the ball. So as TD88 sayed if he had not bobbled it - it would be a catch.
 
#42
#42
Originally posted by VOLracerx@Sep 19, 2005 4:16 PM
I think the rule states that it can hit the ground as longs as he has "possession" of the ball. So as TD88 sayed if he had not bobbled it - it would be a catch.
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That's the pro rule. I am not sure that the college rule is as forgiving with the ground but I'm not sure about it.

On the replay, it didn't look so much to me that he bobled it as much as he trapped it between his body and the ground, then slid his hands underneath it so fast it made it look like he caught it. For all I know, he thinks he did. It was as bang bang as you get.
 
#43
#43
I watched it on the Tivo over and over and it appeared to bounce off his chest and into his hands - as the top of the ball hit his hands it kind of "bounced" off the turf - it was a good call by the refs.
 
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