Ive been a Fulmer supporter for most of his time

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Originally posted by Lexvol@Nov 13, 2005 5:45 PM
He's a gator fan, of course he will support him if he loses to Vandy.  He wants him around as long as UT can keep him. Don't get to close to the edge of the pond Knocker.
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LOL..actually that was an unbiased opinion. This yr was prolly a fluke and if it happens again with no significant changes then I would not fully support him.
 
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I have for the past4 seasons tried to be positive about CPF. It wasn't till this season and the LSU game (1st half) that I said the buck stops with him, and it does. I hope he can get things turned around I support him, but each week I wonder more.

Then he comes out and says Ainge gives us the best chance to win and then Rick comes in and saves our butts.
Then today Sunday 11-13 he says on the PF show that Rick will be the starter and the musical chairs continues.
If he is so good at knowing his talent, he sure doesn't show it here.

It's time to stop the buck or trade it in. He expects players to step up, well we as vol fans expect him to step up, or step down...
 
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Originally posted by GIVEHIM-6@Nov 13, 2005 11:35 AM
I have said this somewhere in this site before.The year that we played Clemson in Atlanta I attended 1 of the practices.I remember thinking to myself that this does not look like a top notched program preparing for a big game.This was the first time I had ever seen them practice before and I was not very impressed.There was many players just goofing off and joking(including starters)and not looking like they were serious about the game.
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During the fall, UT released practice video's I had the same impression. Everyone is limited on how long they can practice now, I was expected to see everyone husttling. Not the case. The wr's and qb's (especially ainge) were running at about 75% and throwing at about 75%. It no surprise their timing is off. They dont run full speed or throw full speed at practice. The other thing is after the big injuries UT had a couple of years ago, Fulmer has cut way back on the scrimmaging, which has really added to the problem. If you see NFL practice video's they are never this slow at practice.
 
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I got that same impression. Of course, most of the highlights that were shown were good offensive highlights, but they were still lacidasical, IMO.

that has got to change in order to for us to get out of this funk we're in.
 
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Good topic, especially about practice habits...After the ND game, i was reading articles afterward, and saw two things that really got me concerned...1, EA basically said "we need to make NOT making mistakes more important in practice...If i throw a pick, or someone misses a block or someone drops a ball, they need to know there are going to be consequences", to paraphrase. Then, Mr. Colquit has something to say about special Teams practce being looked on as "break time" by the startes when they are told to work on that...

So, one really does have to wonder, what does actually go on in practice? What are they really doing? Fulmer's biggest issue as far as i'm concerned, and this was basically echoed by Jimmy Hyams on the Sunday Morning radio show, is his LAID BACK attitude toward discipline. He just isn't the guy that's going to get in someone's face and demand improvement. He expects his coordinators and position coaches to take care of business, problem with that is, when they don't, is he then taking the bull by the horns? i would have to say no given his track record for loyalty on this staff...

Phill is the epitomy of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". I just don't know anymore...you can't fire the guy, not yet anyway, another season like this, and there won't be anyplace for him to hide.. he's obviously not stupid or just a terrible coach or we woulnd't have had any semblance of success we've had over the past 15 years. I think this year is more or less a culmination of a bunch of little things that have bothered all of us for years, just now being exposed when talent can't make up for apathetic coaching style. Whether it's the clapping on the sidelines after a turnover, the gritted teeth grimmace whenever he sees Spurrier, the hands on knees "can't believe that just happned" look after a bad play...whatever you like...he just doesn't have it in his persnality to be "excitable" or "in your face" when things go wrong. He may do it in private, but everynow and then, a good public executino of someone who screws up might send a message to coaches and/or players, that this stuff will NOT be tolerated.

I too am tired of hearing the following:
Obviously we have a lot of work to do to get better....
Well, we're going to work like heck to get this fixed....
I just can't say enough about the effort of these young men...
We're just a play or two away from (fill in the blank....)

Just once i wish we could come out and play with the swagger and confidence we're supposed to have. We very rarely come out and play to expectations lately.

and whoever said the players were spending all thier time reading how good they were....you're right, and I think EA was a prime example, go back and read his pre season inteviews....

I'm just sick of this crap. :mf_surrender:
 
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Let's take a historical look before everybody thinks that close games are a new thing at Tennessee. From 1995-1998, the Vols were 45-5... the BEST 4-years in UT history.

1995
Opened the season with lackluster 27-7 win over East Carolina. Beat unranked Georgia 30-27. Lost to Florida 37-62. Beat unranked Vanderbilt in the final game 12-7.

1996
Lost again to Florida 29-35. Lost to Memphis 17-21 %@*$#(. Beat Vanderbilt 14-7.

1997
Beat unranked UCLA 30-24. Lost to Florida 20-33. Beat unranked Arkansas 30-22. Beat Vandy 17-10.

1998
Beat unranked Auburn 17-9.

Its not a new thing folks.
 
#33
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Personally with the exception of the LSU game, Tennessee has been on the short end of breaks this season. I have followed the Vols for years and can't recall a season when you
just knew something bad was going to happen (karma). Yes, even if UT loses to Vandy, and even if they lose out, I'll support Phil. I'll give Phil another year or two to re-invent the team, after that, adios!




:clapping:
 
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Originally posted by oklavol@Nov 13, 2005 1:39 AM
I was thinking, I had never heard Fulmer talk about his players like that, what they benched when they got here, what they do now, how hard they worked, etc.
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I think CPF has always sounded like some kind of freakish spin doctor when he has spoken of the team. He sounds as though he believes that as long as he doesn't admit an error, no one will notice that it happened.
 
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Originally posted by Ooltewah Vol@Nov 13, 2005 4:59 PM
I have for the past4 seasons tried to be positive about CPF. It wasn't till this season and the LSU game (1st half) that I said the buck stops with him, and it does. I hope he can get things turned around I support him, but each week I wonder more.

Then he comes out and says Ainge gives us the best chance to win and then Rick comes in and saves our butts.
Then today Sunday 11-13 he says on the PF show that Rick will be the starter and the musical chairs continues.
If he is so good at knowing his talent, he sure doesn't show it here.

It's time to stop the buck or trade it in. He expects players to step up, well we as vol fans expect him to step up, or step down...
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Anyone thinking he will step down or get fired is dreaming. We just signed him to a 7 year contract. He has six left after this year. We can't afford to fire him. He won't step down. And he deserves the right to turn it around.
 
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Originally posted by bigdaddy@Nov 18, 2005 7:54 AM
Anyone thinking he will step down or get fired is dreaming.  We just signed him to a 7 year contract.  He has six left after this year.  We can't afford to fire him.  He won't step down.  And he deserves the right to turn it around.
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Another 6-5 season would change a lot of that in a hurry. I think next year is crucial, but the year after is make or break.

Rememeber, 2008 is the 10th season since the SEC and NC. We can't support a coach who goes a decade without a conference championship and loses 4 or 5 games half of the time.
 
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Since when did UT lose 4 or 5 games half of the time? I understand what you are saying and of course he would be in trouble after a couple more seasons like this, but history tells us that under Fulmer 9-10 wins is the norm.
 
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The excuse that I hate the most, and I mean HATE, is that every team we play steps up cause they are playing the Vols. The excuse that everyone wants to beat UT so bad it is the reason that we always have close games and never blow anyone out. So I quess the reason that USC (Trojans), Texas, Ohio State, Mich, etc, etc, usually blow out the little teams or even the good teams they play, because no one really wants to beat them. Only the Vols seem to play victim to this. Then there is the other excuse of UT plays to the level of their opponent. That is such a lame excuse. If a team sucks why should UT play on their level and suck too. Sounds like a coaching issue to me.
 
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UT has lacked that killer instinct, never able to bury a team early. It seems like every time we get close to blowing it open we end up with a three and out or mistake.
 
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It is time for a new start for the coaching staff. fulmers time has come and gone. He has proven this year that he cant fix problems why else have they been getting worse throughout the season. They play as though they are not coached at all.
 
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Originally posted by bleedingorange@Nov 18, 2005 11:45 AM
It is time for a new start for the coaching staff.  fulmers time has come and gone.  He has proven this year that he cant fix problems why else have they been getting worse throughout the season.  They play as though they are not coached at all.
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Why do you care? I thought you hated the football team.
 
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My point earlier is that it is going to COST the University too much to let him go. And after we pay off his contract, what will we have to offer a new coach? I believe that we were still paying off Green until this year. Win or lose, you have Fulmer here for at least 4 more seasons (or health issues crop up).
 
#44
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DAMN PEOPLE!!! one bad season, and you guys are already calling for his head. If he keeps it up for 2 or 3 seasons in a row, then I could see justification for your opinions. You guys quickly forget all of the things Fulmer has contributed to the success of the UT football program as a coach, and player.

You people are FAIR-WEATHER supporters of this organization. If you love the Vols, you need to love everything about them. You stick it out with a coaching staff, until it is proven that they no longer have what it takes to get the job done. One season for a head coach who brought us a national championship, and many SEC title games deserves more patience that what you guys are showing.

I for one, do my share of bashing, but I value the man's job for what it is worth. Before we are so quick to make a drastic change, look at other once proud programs in college football, and how they have suffered after parting ways with their successful head coach. Nebraska is the first I can think of on that long list. You guys can fill in the blanks.

The replacement is never proven to be a sure thing. Change is different, but doesn't always mean better. People have slumps. Nobody is on top forever, at least in consecutive years.

If you have been highly successful at your job, and have one down year, would you think it's fair if your employer suddenly calls for your head? Probably not. Especially if you weren't given time to try to turn things around.

Let's be rational here. I think the biggest problem with people on this forum is that in down and low times, they forget logic and rational thinking, and resort to letting their emotions dominate their actions, or what they would like to happen.

I think the other big problem arond here is that people have UNREALISTIC expectations year in and year out of this football program. Teams go up and down. That's the way it is. Every year is NOT going to be 10 years. I dont care what the "experts" (guessers, in my opinion) have to say in their predictions. If everything were tied down to the expert predictions, there would be no point of playing the games. That's why games are NOT played on paper.

I am just as disappointed about this season as the next person, but people need to realize the concept of competitive sports. Losing WILL happen. Each game, it's either US or THEM. It's as simple as that. Nobody will be on top forever.

If you flip a coin 10 times, and you get heads 8 times, dont cry "BS" when it lands on tails the last 2 flips.

People around here think that UT is given the birth right to be a national championship calibur team EVERY YEAR. Do you all forget that there are over 100 programs out there that have similar expecations as we do, or at least are striving to be in that positon???

You give it your best, and if things dont work out, you try it again the next year. After a few years, if it just isn't working out, then consider making personell changes. At least approach it this way with a head coach that has the track record and successes of someone like Phil Fulmer.
 
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What ungratefulness shown by you "loyal" fans. It's only been ONE bad year. Not 5. All the bad seasons Lou Holtz had at South Carolina.... They weren't calling for his head after the first season, were they?
 
#46
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I am not calling for his job, I am pointing out the obvious contract issues here for all the "fire the coach after one bad season" people. From a financial standpoint, it makes no sense. The university made an investment in him and now it is time to see if it will have long term success or will it fall apart over the next five years. Others can chose to follow the team or drop them until a new coach comes around. I dont give a rat's ass what they do. I chose to follow the team. I will follow them good or bad. But then again I have experience with hanging in there, I have been a Tampa Bucs fan since 1980.
 
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Originally posted by gonygonygo@Nov 18, 2005 1:25 PM

I for one, do my share of bashing, but I value the man's job for what it is worth.  Before we are so quick to make a drastic change, look at other once proud programs in college football, and how they have suffered after parting ways with their successful head coach.  Nebraska is the first I can think of on that long list.  You guys can fill in the blanks.

The replacement is never proven to be a sure thing.  Change is different, but doesn't always mean better.  People have slumps.  Nobody is on top forever, at least in consecutive years.
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Here is the list of SEC schools that changed head coaches in the last 10 years and got dramatically better:

LSU
Auburn
South Carolina
GA

Here is a list of schools that changed coaches and stayed the same or got slightly better:

Vanderbilt
Kentucky

Here's the list of SEC programs that got worse after fireing head coaches:

Ole Miss

Any questions?
 
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Originally posted by gonygonygo@Nov 18, 2005 12:25 PM
DAMN PEOPLE!!!  one bad season, and you guys are already calling for his head...You people are FAIR-WEATHER supporters of this organization.  If you love the Vols, you need to love everything about them. 
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Please understand that I am not advocating the firing of Foulmanure. That said...

...this is a common crossroads and a point of contention. You're operating off of a flawed presuppostion that this is the first bad season. I, along with many others, do not hold that view. This is yet more evidence of flaws in the program sliding into mediocrity.

Being critical of a coaching staff, players, or administrator is not being fair-weathered of the team. It's being critical of the staff, player, or administrator. That's what fan's of sports team do - everywhere.

If I get pissed at something the president of the US does, it doesn't mean I hate the country. If I get mad at Alan Greenspan for raising rates to far, it doesn't make a socialist moron (that's what socialists are, so don't call me that).
 
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Originally posted by oklavol@Nov 18, 2005 12:39 PM
Here is the list of SEC schools that changed head coaches in the last 10 years and got dramatically better:

LSU
Auburn
South Carolina
GA

Here is a list of schools that changed coaches and stayed the same or got slightly better:

Vanderbilt
Kentucky

Here's the list of SEC programs that got worse after fireing head coaches:

Ole Miss

Any questions?
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None of the schools that got better were winning 9-10 games on a regular basis, which UT has done with this year being an obvious exception.
 
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This is not just ONE bad season, though. Have you already forgotten the disaster that was 2002? Don't give the injuries excuse that the coaching staff laid out there every week that year. A large part of the injuries that happened that year were on defense, but yet it was the offense that was horrible. Yes, I know Clausen got hurt, but we were not good even with him in there.

2003 was not near as good as the record indicated. Yes, I am being very picky here. Yes, it was a 10 win team. But the no-show in the Peach Bowl was flat out ridiculous.

There was also 2000. A rebuilding year it was it was supposed to be, but again, the offense was not very good. Problem was, neither was the secondary.

1994 is another example. While this is one of my favorite teams, it was still a 4 loss season. This is not as good of an example as the others, because, again, it was a reuilding year, and again, injuries in key positions killed us early. There is no excuse to get shut out at home, though. I don't care who you are playing. That Florida game was flat out pitiful. So was the MSU game that year. We had that thing won, and let it go.

I'm being very picky and critical here with 1994, 2000, and 2003, I know. But 2002 and this year...there is no excuse for either of these 2 seasons.
As far as disappointments go, you can probably throw 1999 in there, as well. That team should have been playing in Atlanta.

To close the point...this is not the first subpar season under Fulmer's watch.

 
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