James Franklin having it his way

[Boca Vol]

I think his point was they aren't that different. And if the punishments are about the same, sounds like they aren't.

This!

Here's an example:

In a basketball game a defender steals the ball and is going for an easy lay-up. The trailing defender slightly bumps his hip and gets called for the foul but the lay-up is easily made. A foul was still called! Player goes to the line for a chance at a 3-point play.

Conversely, if the defender went to block the shot and kept the lay-up from being made it's still a foul. Player goes to the line for 2 FT's.

If the punishments are the same, get your money's worth. That's all I'm saying.

 

[BowlBrother85]

I think his point was they aren't that different. And if the punishments are about the same, sounds like they aren't.

His point is to ALWAYS play devil's advocate no matter what. What Penn St did was choreographed, what Tennessee did was not. They are different. Do I expect the NCAA COI to do anything about it? No but that doesn't change the fact that a rule violation was flaunted in pretty elaborate fashion here.

 

[Boca Vol]

His point is to ALWAYS play devil's advocate no matter what. What Penn St did was choreographed, what Tennessee did was not. They are different. Do I expect the NCAA COI to do anything about it? No but that doesn't change the fact that a rule violation was flaunted in pretty elaborate fashion here.

I do play devil's advocate a lot because there is a ton of hypocrisy and sanctimoniousness on here. There was a poll on here a couple of years ago that basically asked if the fans would be OK will some rules infractions if it meant winning. An overwhelming "YES" was the response.

You're splitting hairs on this thing. If you don't think the UT recruit being put on the board wasn't planned then I don't know what to tell you. Of course it was. Franklin just added his name. 90% of the people there probably had no idea who he was.

 

[volunteerfan56]

Quit being so naive. Minor infractions happen all the time at pretty much every school. Yes, the school does get to choose which rules to break based on the severity of the penalty. Is it worth it, or not?

UT committed the exact same infraction. Again, it's no big deal.

Even Derek Dooley knew not to trot a recruit out to mid court of a basketball game with their name flashing on the screen...

 

[VolsSportsFan]

His point is to ALWAYS play devil's advocate no matter what. What Penn St did was choreographed, what Tennessee did was not. They are different. Do I expect the NCAA COI to do anything about it? No but that doesn't change the fact that a rule violation was flaunted in pretty elaborate fashion here.

Apparently not to the NCAA, and that's really all that matters.

 

[onevol74]

Quit being so naive. Minor infractions happen all the time at pretty much every school. Yes, the school does get to choose which rules to break based on the severity of the penalty. Is it worth it, or not?

UT committed the exact same infraction. Again, it's no big deal.

Not the same situation. It is a big deal. This was an intentional violation.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Not the same situation. It is a big deal. This was an intentional violation.

As far as repercussions, it's not really that big of a deal. They'll self report and little or nothing will be done. The worst this may do is sour the NCAA's taste on Franklin--i.e. give him less benefit of the doubt if something more major comes up later. I'm fairly sure that happened with Kiffin after some of his escapades at UT.

 

[BowlBrother85]

As far as repercussions, it's not really that big of a deal. They'll self report and little or nothing will be done. The worst this may do is sour the NCAA's taste on Franklin--i.e. give him less benefit of the doubt if something more major comes up later. I'm fairly sure that happened with Kiffin after some of his escapades at UT.

That's a good point. None of the many infractions that Kiffin committed here were serious but it was the blatant and arrogant way he went about them that drew a lengthy investigation into our entire athletic dept. This one incident will not draw more than a reprimand but further disregard for the rules might... it's not like Penn State has been real high on the NCAA's list of preferred programs the last 5 years.

...but I don't think they will self report this. It was too much of a blatant violation of a well known rule for that. They would look ridiculous for self reporting something that was this choreographed and obviously involved multiple people at Penn State.

 

[VolForLife83]

Stopped reading after "Franklin is known around the SEC"...

He is/was and always will be for what he did at Vandy

 

[LouderVol]

I do play devil's advocate a lot because there is a ton of hypocrisy and sanctimoniousness on here. There was a poll on here a couple of years ago that basically asked if the fans would be OK will some rules infractions if it meant winning. An overwhelming "YES" was the response.

You're splitting hairs on this thing. If you don't think the UT recruit being put on the board wasn't planned then I don't know what to tell you. Of course it was. Franklin just added his name. 90% of the people there probably had no idea who he was.

the times I have seen it reported it is when the cameras are panning over a coach and the recruit is there with them. because yes at UT coach Jones showing up to a basketball game in the crowd is a big deal. so naturally the camera is going to pull over to him, and sometimes he has recruits with him and we have to report and face the wrist slap. For Penn State they are trotting them out to get single attention as a recruit. In UTs case the recruit is there to experience at UT crowd, for Penn State they are there to be in the spot light.

while the rules may treat them the same there is a fundamental difference between the two. there is a difference in accidentally kicking someone and purposefully kicking them. if appreciating the difference is "sanctimonious" then so be it.

 

[Boca Vol]

That's a good point. None of the many infractions that Kiffin committed here were serious but it was the blatant and arrogant way he went about them that drew a lengthy investigation into our entire athletic dept. This one incident will not draw more than a reprimand but further disregard for the rules might... it's not like Penn State has been real high on the NCAA's list of preferred programs the last 5 years.

...but I don't think they will self report this. It was too much of a blatant violation of a well known rule for that. They would look ridiculous for self reporting something that was this choreographed and obviously involved multiple people at Penn State.

You're kidding, right? Why wouldn't they report it? It's out there...it happened. Schools report all sorts of infractions or possible infractions. 99% of them are pointless, like calling the local police dept. and turning yourself in for doing 36 in a 35.

 

[BowlBrother85]

You're kidding, right? Why wouldn't they report it? It's out there...it happened. Schools report all sorts of infractions or possible infractions. 99% of them are pointless, like calling the local police dept. and turning yourself in for doing 36 in a 35.

They might... but it takes a lot of balls to self report a violation that was as planned and well prepared as this one was... and what is their defense exactly? It's common knowledge that this was a violation so they can't claim ignorance of the rules and it had to have involved multiple people within the athletic dept so they can't use the 'one rogue employee' defense either. They blatantly broke a rule because they think the NCAA is too weak to do anything about it... but they obviously can't use that as a reason to the NCAA committee on infractions either.

The self reporting of violations is most commonly done when the violation was unintentional in nature or involved ignorance of the rule or just one employee. None of that applies in this case.

 

[Boca Vol]

They might... but it takes a lot of balls to self report a violation that was as planned and well prepared as this one was... and what is their defense exactly? It's common knowledge that this was a violation so they can't claim ignorance of the rules and it had to have involved multiple people within the athletic dept so they can't use the 'one rogue employee' defense either. They blatantly broke a rule because they think the NCAA is too weak to do anything about it... but they obviously can't use that as a reason to the NCAA committee on infractions either.

The self reporting of violations is most commonly done when the violation was unintentional in nature or involved ignorance of the rule or just one employee. None of that applies in this case.

Secondary violations happen all the time. Most are ridiculous...too many logo's on an envelope, etc. Coaches knowing violate the bump rule...whatever that is.

 

[Orange_Crush]

They might... but it takes a lot of balls to self report a violation that was as planned and well prepared as this one was... and what is their defense exactly? It's common knowledge that this was a violation so they can't claim ignorance of the rules and it had to have involved multiple people within the athletic dept so they can't use the 'one rogue employee' defense either. They blatantly broke a rule because they think the NCAA is too weak to do anything about it... but they obviously can't use that as a reason to the NCAA committee on infractions either.

The self reporting of violations is most commonly done when the violation was unintentional in nature or involved ignorance of the rule or just one employee. None of that applies in this case.

Kiffin held a mock press conference for a recruit, which is a well-known and blatant minor infraction. UT self-reported, along with all their other minor infractions, and went along their business.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Kiffin held a mock press conference for a recruit, which is a well-known and blatant minor infraction. UT self-reported, along with all their other minor infractions, and went along their business.

We went along with our business of being placed on probation in June '11 after Kiffin was long gone. If your point is that Kiffin had just as much audacity and arrogance as Franklin then you're right.

 

[Orange_Crush]

We went along with our business of being placed on probation in June '11 after Kiffin was long gone. If your point is that Kiffin had just as much audacity and arrogance as Franklin then you're right.

My point is that we self-reported it.