Jamesis Winston Cleared By Student Committee

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MurphyVol said:
Not sure CBJ would sit a player a whole year if KPD drug their feet that long. Maybe, but it'd be unheard of I think. It's easier to suspend a player a couple weeks in the off season.



Did TPD handle this poorly? Absolutely.



First, let me say I'm a huge women's rights believer. I see them equally, I employ them and, unlike the vast majority of U.S. managers, I pay them the equalivent of their male counter parts.



I firmly believe no means no.



I hate the rape culture in our world. That's one reason I hope that dumbass Lil Jon is never played in Neyland again. He glorifies rape and he could use his ass kicked.



Unfortunately the accuser was at a huge disadvantage from the get go.



First, she left the club with him. This makes cases much more difficult than someone being grabbed and left in an alley. Again, this is not consent, but is makes the case more difficult.



He has two people corroborate his story, she didn't. Could his buddies be lying? Sure. They could also be telling the truth.



She had DNA from another guy on her clothes from a sexual encounter earlier that day. This doesn't make her a whore by any means, but, right or wrong, these things get factored in.



She first identified her attacker a 5" 10" about six inches shorter than Winston. Possibly because she was intoxicated. She said she thought it was Winston about 6 weeks later IIRC.



TPD claims she stopped cooperating in February. Her attorney claims she didn't.



She sent word by her attorney a while back that her silence could be bought for 7 million.



I think the argument could be made that if TPD "sat" on this, it certainly did Winston more harm than good.
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Except she wasn't drunk. There was no alcohol in her system.
 
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BearCat204 said:
Do you happen to have a link for this? Just curious because I had never seen this before.
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I'm sorry I don't. I just remember being dumbfounded when I heard it. I'm honestly not just saying this to stir the pot. That has bothered me about the whole thing. I'm sure you can Google it?
 
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MSUDuo said:
Except she wasn't drunk. There was no alcohol in her system.
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"Major lapses in her memory, her blood alcohol level and DNA on her clothes by two men" cited as major reasons Winston wasn't charged per ESPN

She mentioned she was black out drunk, but the blood alcohol level didn't bear that out. Of course she waited a while to call the cops so they couldn't determine her level of intoxication at the time
 
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MurphyVol said:
Not sure CBJ would sit a player a whole year if KPD drug their feet that long. Maybe, but it'd be unheard of I think. It's easier to suspend a player a couple weeks in the off season.
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CBJ has sat them for 2 going on 3 games, 1 a senior effectively ending his career over allegations. No arrest, no charges nothing yet except allegations. So I don't see how you could possibly compare CBJ to CJF.
 
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MurphyVol said:
"Major lapses in her memory, her blood alcohol level and DNA on her clothes by two men" cited as major reasons Winston wasn't charged per ESPN

She mentioned she was black out drunk, but the blood alcohol level didn't bear that out. Of course she waited a while to call the cops so they couldn't determine her level of intoxication at the time
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She didn't wait a while. She was at the hospital talking to the TPD within hours of the incident. And they absolutely could determine her level of intoxication, and they did, since she had an elevated BAC. She would have been drunk at the time of the incident, but likely not "black out drunk" (and i've never seen her quoted saying that she was, so I don't know where you got that).
 
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hog88 said:
CBJ has sat them for 2 going on 3 games, 1 a senior effectively ending his career over allegations. No arrest, no charges nothing yet except allegations. So I don't see how you could possibly compare CBJ to CJF.
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Not comparing to Jones necessarily, just don't think any coach would sit a player a whole season while someone figured out to press charges or not. Especially if the PD stated at one point that she stopped cooperating with the investigation.

Not sure what Jimbo could have done differently other than suspend him for a couple weeks in the off season.

He may he guilty as sin but this young lady would have been demolished by a defense attorney and a jury. Memory issues, intoxication, fresh DNA by two men on her clothes, 2 sworn statements by Winston's friends....this case had a snowball's chance.
 
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bamawriter said:
She didn't wait a while. She was at the hospital talking to the TPD within hours of the incident. And they absolutely could determine her level of intoxication, and they did, since she had an elevated BAC. She would have been drunk at the time of the incident, but likely not "black out drunk" (and i've never seen her quoted saying that she was, so I don't know where you got that).
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I got it from her statements. It's on google. Paraphrasing "I had 5 drinks, then I had a shot. Then I was in a cab with people I don't know, that's the last thing I remember"

If she wasn't black out drunk, that likely helps Winston.
 
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MurphyVol said:
I got it from her statements. It's on google. Paraphrasing "I had 5 drinks, then I had a shot. Then I was in a cab with people I don't know, that's the last thing I remember"

If she wasn't black out drunk, that likely helps Winston.
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She was sober enough to recognize his face, and the general area of the apartment. She also described details about the apartment with decent accuracy.

If she was "blackout drunk", the blackouts must not have lasted very long.

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The only point where the term "blackout" is used is in the brief blurb by the FSUPD officer that did nothing other than refer the case to the city cops.
 
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bamawriter said:
She was sober enough to recognize his face, and the general area of the apartment. She also described details about the apartment with decent accuracy.

If she was "blackout drunk", the blackouts must not have lasted very long.

Police Docs

The only point where the term "blackout" is used is in the brief blurb by the FSUPD officer that did nothing other than refer the case to the city cops.
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OK. Point is? She had no case. Not sating he is guilty or innocent.
 
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bamawriter said:
She was bruised and had his semen in her anus. Not enough case? Maybe. No case? You'd have to have your head in the vicinity of your own anus to think so.
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Lol, if you're after semantics of "no" and "not enough" I'll let you argue with a stump. OK, so not enough.

She also was asked if she said no or stop. She answered by saying she felt ill and was having trouble talking. This was puzzling because no drugs showed up on the tox screen and, as you said, she wasn't black out drunk.

Also, she tried to sell her silence for 7 mil long before the DA made his decision.

Again, I'm not going to debate what happened. The crux of my initial argument is that most coaches would have done little differently than Jimbo.

It is ironic that a lot of people on this board are crucifying Jimbo didn't seem to mind when Phillip Fulmer directly inteferred with a rape case involving one of his players.
 
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MurphyVol said:
Lol, if you're after semantics of "no" and "not enough" I'll let your argue with a stump. OK, so not enough.

She also was asked if she said no or stop. She answered by saying she felt I'll and was having trouble talking. This was puzzling because no drugs showed up on the tox screen and , as you said, she wasn't black out drunk.

Also, she tried to sell her silence for 7 mil long before the DA made his decision.

Again, I'm not going to debate what happened. The crux of my initial argument is that most coaches would have done little differently than Jimbo.

It is ironic that a lot of people on this board are crucifying Jimbo didn't seem to mind when Phillip Fulmer directly inteferred with a rape case involving one of his players.
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When did Coach Fulmer interfere with a rape case? I'm not saying he didn't, I honestly don't know. I have never heard this before. Who was the accused player, and what exactly did Fulmer do? Can you provide any links to the story?
 
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Antuan Stewart I believe?

Fulmer and his attorney met with the accuser's 17 year old friend at Showney's and got a statement from her that contradicted the 16 year old accuser's statement made to police.
 
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MurphyVol said:
Antuan Stewart I believe?

Fulmer and his attorney met with the accuser's 17 year old friend at Showney's and got a statement from her that contradicted the 16 year old accuser's statement made to police.
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Oh wow, I wasn't expecting juveniles to be involved. Imagine if a story like that broke in todays social media world.
 
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