Jared Goff

[BeardedVol]

Remember when yall did this exact same thing with Dak Prescott in 2016? I don't hear yall trying to tell me nowadays that I missed on my evaluation of Dak anymore.

Keep being fooled by short term success by mediocre QBs that are put in the ideal situation.

I ain't backing off my Jared Goff take one inch. I still believe he is trash. He's a bust. And just as Dak Prescott was eventually exposed as a mediocre talent who was made to look better than he really was by the talent around him, the same will be true of Jared Goff in due time.

Just wait until he's off that rookie deal and they don't have a super team surrounding him. That is when the real Jared Goff will be exposed. Just as the real Dak Prescott has been exposed the last year or so.

Thanks for being honest about not actually watching the game last night, or any of the Rams' games last season.

 

[volsarelife1]

Put Kevin Hogan in that McVay offense and he would do the exact same things Goff is doing right now.

Goff's success is entirely based on scheme and the super team that has been assembled around him. He's fool's gold like Dak Prescott was in 2016 that will eventually be exposed. Whether it'll be because defensive coordinators figure out McVay's scheme or when Goff gets off that rookie deal and the Rams can no longer pay all those other great players. He will get exposed.

Like I said earlier. I ain't budging one inch off my Jared Goff take. He's trash. And I'm 100% confident I will be vindicated in the long run. Just as I'm vindicated now for not being high on Dak Prescott. That's a guy who I foolishly budged on after he had all that success in 2016. I should have just stuck to my guns during his high water mark. Woulda made me look smarter now that he's been exposed.

So Dobbs can't even get a starting spot with a super team around him on offense with that Steelers offense but you dismiss Goff. Got it.

 

[KBVol]

Sure looks like the real deal. I can't imagine anyone watches this kid throw a football and can't see the talent that's there. The TD pass over the second level towards the post to Woods near the end of the third quarter was an absolute thing of beauty. With Goff, Gurley and those WRs, that offense will win a Super Bowl soon.

Goff is outstanding, his accuracy is off the charts. Meanwhile, D4H still thinks he sucks and believes Kevin Hogan is the far better qb.

 

[KBVol]

Put Kevin Hogan in that McVay offense and he would do the exact same things Goff is doing right now.

Goff's success is entirely based on scheme and the super team that has been assembled around him. He's fool's gold like Dak Prescott was in 2016 that will eventually be exposed. Whether it'll be because defensive coordinators figure out McVay's scheme or when Goff gets off that rookie deal and the Rams can no longer pay all those other great players. He will get exposed.

Like I said earlier. I ain't budging one inch off my Jared Goff take. He's trash. And I'm 100% confident I will be vindicated in the long run. Just as I'm vindicated now for not being high on Dak Prescott. That's a guy who I foolishly budged on after he had all that success in 2016. I should have just stuck to my guns during his high water mark. Woulda made me look smarter now that he's been exposed.

Lmfao!!

 

[KBVol]

Put Kevin Hogan in that McVay offense and he would do the exact same things Goff is doing right now.

Goff's success is entirely based on scheme and the super team that has been assembled around him. He's fool's gold like Dak Prescott was in 2016 that will eventually be exposed. Whether it'll be because defensive coordinators figure out McVay's scheme or when Goff gets off that rookie deal and the Rams can no longer pay all those other great players. He will get exposed.

Like I said earlier. I ain't budging one inch off my Jared Goff take. He's trash. And I'm 100% confident I will be vindicated in the long run. Just as I'm vindicated now for not being high on Dak Prescott. That's a guy who I foolishly budged on after he had all that success in 2016. I should have just stuck to my guns during his high water mark. Woulda made me look smarter now that he's been exposed.

Lmfao!!

Put Kevin Hogan in that McVay offense and he would do the exact same things Goff is doing right now.

Goff's success is entirely based on scheme and the super team that has been assembled around him. He's fool's gold like Dak Prescott was in 2016 that will eventually be exposed. Whether it'll be because defensive coordinators figure out McVay's scheme or when Goff gets off that rookie deal and the Rams can no longer pay all those other great players. He will get exposed.

Like I said earlier. I ain't budging one inch off my Jared Goff take. He's trash. And I'm 100% confident I will be vindicated in the long run. Just as I'm vindicated now for not being high on Dak Prescott. That's a guy who I foolishly budged on after he had all that success in 2016. I should have just stuck to my guns during his high water mark. Woulda made me look smarter now that he's been exposed.

And how about Mayfield? If we put Hogan in the exact same offense/position in Cleveland, how would Hogan do? I do believe we already have our answer.

Just go sit down, stfu and show a little humility. You’re literally wrong about every player you discuss/ project, yet here you are over and over again spewing your bs even after your disastrous predictions are proven wrong.

 

[BeardedVol]

Goff is outstanding, his accuracy is off the charts. Meanwhile, D4H still thinks he sucks and believes Kevin Hogan is the far better qb.

D4H's dislike of Goff has me perplexed. Not only does he have superb arm strength, but he has a high football-IQ, and he looks like a poor man's Ryan Gosling; should be right up his alley.

 

[hndog609]

Remember when yall did this exact same thing with Dak Prescott in 2016? I don't hear yall trying to tell me nowadays that I missed on my evaluation of Dak anymore.

Keep being fooled by short term success by mediocre QBs that are put in the ideal situation.

I ain't backing off my Jared Goff take one inch. I still believe he is trash. He's a bust. .

Oh look, D4H moving to one of his favorite ploys..."the unhappening". Looking 2+2=4 straight in the face and saying it's something else.

Goff is coming off a Pro Bowl, top 40 ranking in NFL's top 100 and currently killing it this year. You called bust, reality says star. There are no other parameters relevant to the discussion. Anything you say to the contrary is pure and undiluted troll deflection.

This is tremendously simple and has been pointed out repeatedly. You get ZERO, ZILCH, SQUAT credit for predicting something that hasn't happened yet. You said A would happen and we're sitting here watching B happen. If that changes then so be it but until that happens you get spit roasted by anyone that wants to call you out for being wrong in current reality.

 

[butchna]

Lmfao!!


And how about Mayfield? If we put Hogan in the exact same offense/position in Cleveland, how would Hogan do? I do believe we already have our answer.

Just go sit down, stfu and show a little humility. You’re literally wrong about every player you discuss/ project, yet here you are over and over again spewing your bs even after your disastrous predictions are proven wrong.

I like how he doubled down on Dak Prescott as a bust AFTER he went back on it and used him as one of his default pro comparisons when “evaluating” promising signal callers. . Alas, D4H’s legacy will always boil down to failures Kelvin Taylor, Kevin Hogan and Brad Kaaya. The dude is tragically horrible at predictions.

 

[TDawg]

D4H's dislike of Goff has me perplexed. Not only does he have superb arm strength, but he has a high football-IQ, and he looks like a poor man's Ryan Gosling; should be right up his alley.

He doesn't run enough for D4H's taste. If you're not going to run, you out of the D4H qualifications

 

[TDawg]

I like how he doubled down on Dak Prescott as a bust AFTER he went back on it and used him as one of his default pro comparisons when “evaluating” promising signal callers. . Alas, D4H’s legacy will always boil down to failures Kelvin Taylor, Kevin Hogan and Brad Kaaya. The dude is tragically horrible at predictions.

Those are failures he called stars, then there's the failures on the other end like Bosa and Goff. He has no background to go to in order to provide a basis for his analysis. He is just thinking about the highlights .. errrrr ... film he saw that got him excited.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Goff still doesn't wear the proper uniform accessories to be successful.

No. Its his face. He has the look of a wuss. Weak mentally. The greats have a look of toughness.

His face is why I'm 100% confident he will fail.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Your "100%" confidence isn't rooted in anything factual. To say Goff's success is based on scheme is proof that you have no clue what you're looking at with regards to QBs. He made throws last night that are PRECISELY why you draft a guy like that to run your offense.

Dak Prescott is a HORRIBLE comparison because as I have told you before, dual-threat QBs don't make it if they can't be a pocket QB for most of the game. They have to be able to adjust to the speed and different looks of NFL defenses and if they don't figure that out, they won't make it. Escaping pressure is a good tool to have but you have to be able to make all the throws and assess the defenses you're seeing at a high level or you won't make it.

Kevin Hogan?!?! Man that's rich. He isn't in Goff's league. Goff is a better passer and it's not close.

Dak Prescott had the highest QB rating ever for a rookie QB in 2016. He wasn't doing it by being a "dual threat". He was killing it in 2016 as a pocket passer. So your entire point here is irrelevant.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Goff is outstanding, his accuracy is off the charts. Meanwhile, D4H still thinks he sucks and believes Kevin Hogan is the far better qb.

Remember when you thought Dak Prescott was good in 2016 and tried to use his short term success as evidence I was wrong about him before the draft? I foolishy started to believe yall back then and thought I made a mistake. Now I know I was right all along about not buying Dak Prescott.

I ain't making that same mistake again. Especially when I know what Jared Goff was like before a genuis like Sean McVay came. Jared Goff like Nick Foles in 2013 us simply at his high water mark right. But as with Dak Prescott he will eventually be exposed for what he really is. Trash.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Lmfao!!


And how about Mayfield? If we put Hogan in the exact same offense/position in Cleveland, how would Hogan do? I do believe we already have our answer.

Just go sit down, stfu and show a little humility. You’re literally wrong about every player you discuss/ project, yet here you are over and over again spewing your bs even after your disastrous predictions are proven wrong.

Mayfield and Hogan are very similar. Below average starting QBs. I've always said my issue with Mayfield is where he was drafted. He's not a 1st round franchise caliber QB. He's a Case Keenum/Rex Grossman type bottom half of the league type of QB. If he were drafted in the 3rd-4th round I would have said he's a good pick.

And with regard to Kevin Hogan. I never said he would be great. I just thought he was undervalued. I thought he could develop into a solid starting QB. And in the 5th round that is great value.

 

[TDawg]

Dak Prescott had the highest QB rating ever for a rookie QB in 2016. He wasn't doing it by being a "dual threat". He was killing it in 2016 as a pocket passer. So your entire point here is irrelevant.

"Total quarterback rating (abbreviated as total QBR or simply QBR) is a proprietary statistic created by ESPN in 2011 to measure the performance of quarterbacks in American football. It incorporates all of a quarterback’s contributions to winning, including how he impacts the game on passes, rushes, turnovers, and penalties. Since QBR is built from the play level, it accounts for a team’s level of success or failure on every play to provide the proper context, then allocates credit to the quarterback and his teammate to produce a clearer measure of quarterback efficiency. It was created to be a more meaningful alternative to the passer rating but has been met with criticism among fans and commentators alike."

QBR includes rushes sooooo ... again, name a dual-threat QB that has been a solid NFL QB for more than three years? For every Mike Vick, Cam Newton and Randall Cunningham, there is a Robert Griffin III, Vince Young, Johnny Manziel, Akili Smith, Geno Smith, Jamarcus Russell, David Garrard, Kordell Stewart, Charlie Batch, Quincy Carter and probably several more that never even started a game.

Try again little fella. I know you thought you had something there ..

 

[TDawg]

Remember when you thought Dak Prescott was good in 2016 and tried to use his short term success as evidence I was wrong about him before the draft? I foolishy started to believe yall back then and thought I made a mistake. Now I know I was right all along about not buying Dak Prescott.

I ain't making that same mistake again. Especially when I know what Jared Goff was like before a genuis like Sean McVay came. Jared Goff like Nick Foles in 2013 us simply at his high water mark right. But as with Dak Prescott he will eventually be exposed for what he really is. Trash.

You can't make any sense of this and it shows you are simply incompetent and trying hard to prove something. Goff was only not with McVey during his rookie year an he only played part of that year. But I am so confused with you right now as your troll game seems to be off.

You keep talking about how you knew Dak Prescott would fizzle out yet you try (and fail) to use him and his 2016 success as a way to prove me wrong about dual-threat QBs. Sooo, he's great, he's not great, he's great again, he's not great. Just depends on which poorly lack of facts argument you are trying to prove at the time.

And you are talking about his face up there? I don't care if the guy looks like Rosie O'donnell and Quasimoto had a baby, he makes throws that are deadly accurate, has a near elite arm strength and reads defenses REALLY well for a guy that young.

 

[CardsNVols]

He's clearly just a troll, he definitely seeks attention and he gets it.

He's really not. I found him on another site. Different username, but the posts are almost identical. He hasn't quite reached the same level of infamy on that site as this one, but he's getting there.

 

[hndog609]

He's really not. I found him on another site. Different username, but the posts are almost identical. He hasn't quite reached the same level of infamy on that site as this one, but he's getting there.

Wouldn't your observation of the same person carrying this shtick to other forums only support the idea of him being an attention seeking troll?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Oh look, D4H moving to one of his favorite ploys..."the unhappening". Looking 2+2=4 straight in the face and saying it's something else.

Goff is coming off a Pro Bowl, top 40 ranking in NFL's top 100 and currently killing it this year. You called bust, reality says star. There are no other parameters relevant to the discussion. Anything you say to the contrary is pure and undiluted troll deflection.

This is tremendously simple and has been pointed out repeatedly. You get ZERO, ZILCH, SQUAT credit for predicting something that hasn't happened yet. You said A would happen and we're sitting here watching B happen. If that changes then so be it but until that happens you get spit roasted by anyone that wants to call you out for being wrong in current reality.

Dak Prescott made the Pro Bowl in 2016 and was ranked #14 in the Top 100.

Is he still a star? Or was that 2016 season proven to be a fluke?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

"Total quarterback rating (abbreviated as total QBR or simply QBR) is a proprietary statistic created by ESPN in 2011 to measure the performance of quarterbacks in American football. It incorporates all of a quarterback’s contributions to winning, including how he impacts the game on passes, rushes, turnovers, and penalties. Since QBR is built from the play level, it accounts for a team’s level of success or failure on every play to provide the proper context, then allocates credit to the quarterback and his teammate to produce a clearer measure of quarterback efficiency. It was created to be a more meaningful alternative to the passer rating but has been met with criticism among fans and commentators alike."

QBR includes rushes sooooo ... again, name a dual-threat QB that has been a solid NFL QB for more than three years? For every Mike Vick, Cam Newton and Randall Cunningham, there is a Robert Griffin III, Vince Young, Johnny Manziel, Akili Smith, Geno Smith, Jamarcus Russell, David Garrard, Kordell Stewart, Charlie Batch, Quincy Carter and probably several more that never even started a game.

Try again little fella. I know you thought you had something there ..

Who said anything about QBR? I'm talking old fashioned QB rating that goes from 0 to 158.3 and doesn't take into account rushing.

Dak Prescott sets new rookie passer rating record

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

He's really not. I found him on another site. Different username, but the posts are almost identical. He hasn't quite reached the same level of infamy on that site as this one, but he's getting there.

Ahh. You post on TheColi as well? Who are you?

 

[volfanbill]

D4H really is the greatest troll in VN history. The Mt Rushmore of VN trolls at this point would only contain 4 different views of D4H.

He said that the third string qb for Denver (the guy who couldn't beat out Case Keenum and Chad Kelly) would do the same things as Goff in the Rams offense and y'all still bite. D4H is the GOAT

 

[hndog609]

Dak Prescott made the Pro Bowl in 2016 and was ranked #14 in the Top 100.

Is he still a star? Or was that 2016 season proven to be a fluke?

In 2017 Alvin Kamara made the Pro Bowl and was ranked #20 in the Top 100. He's currently #25 in rushing yards and at
3.8 yards per carry. He's only broken 4ypc twice in the last 9 games. Fluke? See how these games work?

Teaching moment. You can build some equity by having done it. We'll see what the future holds but Dak's done it. Alvin's done it. Goff not only has done it but is doing it right now and at uber elite level. Since the start of 2017 Goff is #7 in yards, 2nd in TD's, way down at #24 in in INT's and #2 in rating among QB's with at least 5 games. There is nothing, and I mean NOTHING that reconciles this with your prediction of "epic bust".

And to add; for 2018 he's currently #1 in yards, #4 in comp% among those with at least 100att, tied for 2nd in TD's and #2 in rating.

 

[volfanbill]

In 2017 Alvin Kamara made the Pro Bowl and was ranked #20 in the Top 100. He's currently #25 in rushing yards and at
3.8 yards per carry. He's only broken 4ypc twice in the last 9 games. Fluke? See how these games work?

Teaching moment. You can build some equity by having done it. We'll see what the future holds but Dak's done it. Alvin's done it. Goff not only has done it but is doing it right now and at uber elite level. Since the start of 2017 Goff is #7 in yards, 2nd in TD's, way down at #24 in in INT's and #2 in rating among QB's with at least 5 games. There is nothing, and I mean NOTHING that reconciles this with your prediction of "epic bust".

again showing D4H's greatness at the troll game. Kamara has almost 300 receiving yards. Come on now.

 

[hndog609]

again showing D4H's greatness at the troll game. Kamara has almost 300 receiving yards. Come on now.

NOBODY has ever questioned Alvin's receiving ability out of the backfield. (at least nobody with any credibility) D4H has insisted, up to and including a post dedicated to the subject in Ingram's absence, that Alvin is also a top flight rusher and worthy of bell cow status in the mold of Gurely, et al. Maybe...but that's not what's been playing out for over a half season worth of games, including those D4H specifically set aside to showcase.