Jason Grimsley Gives Up Names

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hatvol96

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According to the LA Times, Jason Grimsley implicated Roger Clemens, Andy Pettite, Miguel Tejada, and others in the use of performance enhancing drugs as part of sworn statements to federal agents.
 
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Between the Bonds stuff and this, it's going to be a long offseason for MLB.
 
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GAVol said:
Between the Bonds stuff and this, it's going to be a long offseason for MLB.
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I just want to see the media go after Clemens with the amount of zeal and glee they've directed at Barry. More than a couple of times in this forum I've insinuated that Clemens used performance enhancers and everyone has said there's no proof. Well, here you go.
 
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hatvol96 said:
I just want to see the media go after Clemens with the amount of zeal and glee they've directed at Barry. More than a couple of times in this forum I've insinuated that Clemens used performance enhancers and everyone has said there's no proof. Well, here you go.
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The great thing is, its about as much proof as there is against Barry. I'm confident both of them did it.
 
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VolinArizona said:
The great thing is, its about as much proof as there is against Barry. I'm confident both of them did it.
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I agree that the proof is similar. That's why I want to hear all the hue and cry from the media for the Rocket's head now. Fair is fair. As an aside, I believe this tangentially backs up my suspicions about Nolan Ryan.
 
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You can probably link this deal to a lot of former stars. Between Steroids and amphetamines. There is no reason to think that drugs weren't running rampant during the past three decades while baseball looked the other way.

There is no way they go after Clemens. He'll retire and it'll be swept aside as ramblings of a desperate man.
 
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I cannot wait for Selig to try and squirm out of this mess. This leaves no doubt in my mind that MLB was trying to pin the entire steroid era on BB.
 
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Lexvol said:
I cannot wait for Selig to try and squirm out of this mess. This leaves no doubt in my mind that MLB was trying to pin the entire steroid era on BB.
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The owners are getting just what they deserve after installing a car salesman as their commissioner.
 
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I just want to see some of the puritans in the media now say they will never vote for Clemens to enter the Hall of Fame.
 
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hatvol96 said:
As well as turning a willfully blind eye in order to sell tickets.
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Exactly . . . I can remember back in the late 80s seeing the "Bash Brothers". I was 14 or 15 years old, but even I knew that there was something a little abnormal looking about the guns on McGwire, Canseco and even Dave Henderson.
 
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GAVol said:
Exactly . . . I can remember back in the late 80s seeing the "Bash Brothers". I was 14 or 15 years old, but even I knew that there was something a little abnormal looking about the guns on McGwire, Canseco and even Dave Henderson.
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He hit 49 homeruns in 150 games when he looked like that.
 
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therealUT said:
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He hit 49 homeruns in 150 games when he looked like that.
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In a year when the ball was obviously juiced. Look at some of the numbers from the '87 season. They're almost as distorted as the '97-'01 'Roid Era numbers.
 
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hatvol96 said:
In a year when the ball was obviously juiced. Look at some of the numbers from the '87 season. They're almost as distorted as the '97-'01 'Roid Era numbers.
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In 1987 only 4 players in the league hit more than 40 homeruns...You should probably look at the numbers yourself before sending someone else to view them.

Players who hit 40 or more HRs in:
1997: 11
1998: 13
1999: 13
2000: 16
2001: 12

Good job Hat
 
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GAVol said:
1987 was the year the whole world hit at least 20 HRs. It was nuts how many guys' HR totals spiked in '87.
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Apparently, you bought right into Hat's statement...28 players hit 30 or more HRs in 1987.
 
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therealUT said:
In 1987 only 4 players in the league hit more than 40 homeruns...You should probably look at the numbers yourself before sending someone else to view them.
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Compare the jump from '86, genius. Also, check the number of guys in '87 who far outstripped their prior production as well as anything they would do later. Exhibit A-Andre Dawson. Exhibit B-Look at the numbers Eric Davis put up in about 135 games payed. Just because your fair haired, white, christian, red headed hope is a fraud and a juicer, don't feel bad. You aren't the only person he duped.
 
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therealUT said:
In 1987 only 4 players in the league hit more than 40 homeruns...You should probably look at the numbers yourself before sending someone else to view them.

Players who hit 40 or more HRs in:
1997: 11
1998: 13
1999: 13
2000: 16
2001: 12

Good job Hat
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Again, the inability to place things in historical context. If there wasn't a huge jump in power production in '87, why was Sports illustrated's midseason issue devoted almost exclusively to the jump in power. Also showing your lack of historical knowledge, I can't imagine why there would be more home runs now when you've traded in ballparks like the Astrodome for Minute Maid Field.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Compare the jump from '86, genius. Also, check the number of guys in '87 who far outstripped their prior production as well as anything they would do later. Exhibit A-Andre Dawson. Exhibit B-Look at the numbers Eric Davis put up in about 135 games payed. Just because your fair haired, white, christian, red headed hope is a fraud and a juicer, don't feel bad. You aren't the only person he duped.
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So, a player cannot have a great year every once in awhile?
 
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therealUT said:
So, a player cannot have a great year every once in awhile?
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You're the guy who so worships statistics. When a large number of guys go far outside their norm, coupled with an across the board general increase in power, something's amiss. If I remember correctly, '87 was, at the time, the largest increase in offense in a non-expansion year ever. It is completely out of step with '86 and '88. Also, when a stiff like Glenn Davis hits 30 playing in cavern like the Astrodome, something doesn't add up.
 
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therealUT said:
Apparently, you bought right into Hat's statement...28 players hit 30 or more HRs in 1987.
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I didn't buy into anything. I saw it with my own two eyes. Go look up player's HR numbers that played in the mid-late 80s and you'll see that a good many of them had increased HR totals in 1987. The whole buzz around baseball was the "juiced ball" debate.
 
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GAVol said:
I didn't buy into anything. I saw it with my own two eyes. Go look up player's HR numbers that played in the mid-late 80s and you'll see that a good many of them had increased HR totals in 1987. The whole buzz around baseball was the "juiced ball" debate.
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Exactly. The SI with Dawson on the cover after the late Eric Show hit him in the face with a pitch had an extensive debate on that very topic. Kal Daniels, a good not great, hitter was hitting balls into the opposite field Green Seats at Riverfront Stadium. That's all I had to see to know something was up.
 
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hatvol96 said:
You're the guy who so worships statistics. When a large number of guys go far outside their norm, coupled with an across the board general increase in power, something's amiss. If I remember correctly, '87 was, at the time, the largest increase in offense in a non-expansion year ever. It is completely out of step with '86 and '88. Also, when a stiff like Glenn Davis hits 30 playing in cavern like the Astrodome, something doesn't add up.
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Funny, I thought Davis hit 31 in '86, 27 in '87, 30 in '88, and 34 in '89. That looks like consistency to me, especially considering you told me to check individual performance from '86 and '88 and compare it to '87...then you also threw out Glenn's name for me.
 
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therealUT said:
Funny, I thought Davis hit 31 in '86, 27 in '87, 30 in '88, and 34 in '89. That looks like consistency to me, especially considering you told me to check individual performance from '86 and '88 and compare it to '87...then you also threw out Glenn's name for me.
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Bad example on my part. I let my undying hatred for Davis seep into my commentary. Did you check how far out of line Dawson's numbers were with past and future performance? Also, what was McGwire's next highest total until the Chemical Brother years? I must be getting some mild memory loss. Davis had to hit 30 a year. It seemed like he hit 15 a season against the Reds.
 
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therealUT said:
In 1987 only 4 players in the league hit more than 40 homeruns...You should probably look at the numbers yourself before sending someone else to view them.

Players who hit 40 or more HRs in:
1997: 11
1998: 13
1999: 13
2000: 16
2001: 12

Good job Hat
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I know McGwire and Dawson off the top of my head. Who else hit 40 in '87?
 
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