Jason Grimsley Gives Up Names

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therealUT said:
In 1987 only 4 players in the league hit more than 40 homeruns...You should probably look at the numbers yourself before sending someone else to view them.

Players who hit 40 or more HRs in:
1997: 11
1998: 13
1999: 13
2000: 16
2001: 12

Good job Hat
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Nice job leaving out the fact that there were two expansions after '87. Very intellectually honest. I'm sure it was an honest omission.
 
#27
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hatvol96 said:
I know McGwire and Dawson off the top of my head. Who else hit 40 in '87?
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Bell and Murphy, Strawberry hit 39.

As to you other question, about McGwire, he hit 42 in 1992 (in only 139 games.)

I don't doubt that McGwire used performance enhancers, however, I have huge doubts that he was using in 1987. He was a stick his rookie season. I believe he probably started juicing after the 1994 season.
 
#28
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therealUT said:
Bell and Murphy, Strawberry hit 39.

As to you other question, about McGwire, he hit 42 in 1992 (in only 139 games.)

I don't doubt that McGwire used performance enhancers, however, I have huge doubts that he was using in 1987. He was a stick his rookie season. I believe he probably started juicing after the 1994 season.
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I haven't read Canseco's book. Does anyone know when he says McGwire started? Also, I do believe '87 was in fact the greatest non-expansion jump in offense in history. Hadn't thought about George Bell in along time. A real nut job. I don't think McGwire using or not using in '87 makes much difference. Nobody even hints that Bonds did anything before the winter of '98. He already had 3 MVPs and was the best player of his generation. Nobody cares about that little fact.
 
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hatvol96 said:
I haven't read Canseco's book. Does anyone know when he says McGwire started? Also, I do believe '87 was in fact the greatest non-expansion jump in offense in history. Hadn't thought about George Bell in along time. A real nut job. I don't think McGwire using or not using in '87 makes much difference. Nobody even hints that Bonds did anything before the winter of '98. He already had 3 MVPs and was the best player of his generation. Nobody cares about that little fact.
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I guess nobody cares about guys that disappeared in the postseason.
 
#30
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therealUT said:
Bell and Murphy, Strawberry hit 39.
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Dale Murphy is a perfect example of what happened in 1987. He was definitely a feared power hitter, but he had never hit 40 HRs before. He went from a career high 44 HRs in 1987 to also ran in no time flat. He never hit 25 HRs or hit above .250 after that.
 
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hatvol96 said:
I haven't read Canseco's book. Does anyone know when he says McGwire started? Also, I do believe '87 was in fact the greatest non-expansion jump in offense in history. Hadn't thought about George Bell in along time. A real nut job. I don't think McGwire using or not using in '87 makes much difference. Nobody even hints that Bonds did anything before the winter of '98. He already had 3 MVPs and was the best player of his generation. Nobody cares about that little fact.
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That fact is one of the reasons I have been so hard on Bonds.

McGwire was never a guy that could do much more than hit cover off the ball. He could not stretch a single into a double, he could not steal a base, etc. He was never an MVP caliber player. He won his world championships surrounded by incredible talent...and then he fell into the trap of chasing individual awards.

Bonds, on the other hand, was on his way to being the greatest all around baseball player to ever play the game. I believe the Giants would have won a World Series or two if he was still a 30/30 guy. He gave all that up to chase homeruns instead of pennants.
 
#32
#32
It's all the Braves' fault. If they hadn't continually broken Bonds' heart in the early 90s, he might not have turned to a life of crime.
 
#33
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hatvol96 said:
According to the LA Times, Jason Grimsley implicated Roger Clemens, Andy Pettite, Miguel Tejada, and others in the use of performance enhancing drugs as part of sworn statements to federal agents.
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As part of a sworn statement and plea bargain to save his neck maybe?Snitch,rat,party pooper, which is it?:)
 
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I'd be willing to bet that more than a few pitchers have gotten away with juicing. Everybody is so focused on HRs and not on the guys who actually could use the 'roids to speed recovery from fatigue.
 
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GAVol said:
I'd be willing to bet that more than a few pitchers have gotten away with juicing. Everybody is so focused on HRs and not on the guys who actually could use the 'roids to speed recovery from fatigue.
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Exactly. Pitchers use them to lessen their recovery time, not to bulk up. I bet there are a whole bunch of relievers on the list of users.
 
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therealUT said:
That fact is one of the reasons I have been so hard on Bonds.

McGwire was never a guy that could do much more than hit cover off the ball. He could not stretch a single into a double, he could not steal a base, etc. He was never an MVP caliber player. He won his world championships surrounded by incredible talent...and then he fell into the trap of chasing individual awards.

Bonds, on the other hand, was on his way to being the greatest all around baseball player to ever play the game. I believe the Giants would have won a World Series or two if he was still a 30/30 guy. He gave all that up to chase homeruns instead of pennants.
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I'm one of Barry's biggest fans. That said, he was never going to be a better all around player than Willie Mays. Given that Jeff Kent's the best player he ever played with, as well as the fact that his base stealing would certainly have slowed with age, 2002 is the only year the Giants should have won. Dusty Baker's inability to manage a bullpen through 9 outs with a five run lead ruined that.
 
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hatvol96 said:
I bet there are a whole bunch of relievers on the list of users.
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I know of at least one who I and a lot of others are extremely suspicious of, but unlike Canseco and Grimsley, I don't name names. :whistling:
 
#38
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GAVol said:
I know of at least one who I and a lot of others are extremely suspicious of, but unlike Canseco and Grimsley, I don't name names. :whistling:
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The Reds had a number of guys on their roster from '99-'01 that pitched an awful lot of innings with very little rest.
 
#39
#39
I know Terry Forster probably was the first to experiment with performance enhancers by consuming large amounts of hormone and steroid laden beef.
 
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