Jeffy Gordon fails post race inspection

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volinbham said:
Do we know if NASCAR entered this year with a stricter stance overall against rule violations - based on last year? Wasn't the Knauss punishment considered pretty severe at the time?
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They started cracking down on rules violations with points about 3 of 4 years ago. there was alot of people upset that the 48 team didn't lose any points last year. The excuse that Nascar gave was that the infraction occurred during qualifying, not in the actual race.
volinbham said:
Rules and penalties change from year to year (e.g. tuck rule in NFL or the Patriots mugging receivers rule).
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The problem with Nascar though is that the rules change from week to week, and the enforcement is completely arbitrary. It always has been.
 
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GAVol said:
That does seem a little exaggerated. At 2.5 mph faster, he would have run away from the field.
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Not to mention the only lap he led was the last one.

I'm not sure how much of an advantage that infraction gives a car, obviously it wasn't much since Gordon didn't exactly dominate his Twin until he took tires late, but what gets me is other teams have been penalized (points, monetary, sometimes both) for the same thing.
 
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How did they explain Gordon's inability to be anything other than a 4th or 5th place car yesterday before he pitted with 5 laps to go and charged to the front with fresher tires?
 
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I find it almost impossiable to believe it made his car 2mph faster than the rest. If that was the fact he would have left the field in the dust.
 
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Rocky Top said:
I find it almost impossiable to believe it made his car 2mph faster than the rest. If that was the fact he would have left the field in the dust.
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I'm thinking the same thing. CBC is not making up that number though. I finally heard the report on ESPN that he is talking about where somebody threw out that number. The math just doesn't work though.

On another note . . . I know they are new to this, but the ESPN coverage is almost painful to watch at times. Man are those guys stiff.
 
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GAVol said:
I'm thinking the same thing. CBC is not making up that number though. I finally heard the report on ESPN that he is talking about where somebody threw out that number. The math just doesn't work though.

On another note . . . I know they are new to this, but the ESPN coverage is almost painful to watch at times. Man are those guys stiff.
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Ummmm he was in fifth with 1 lap to go and he passed four cars on one lap...his car was clearly faster...
 
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VOLinthaATL said:
Ummmm he was in fifth with 1 lap to go and he passed four cars on one lap...his car was clearly faster...
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You act as if it's uncommon for things to change quickly in a plate race. More a function of tires than anything else. If he was truly 2 MPH faster, he would have never ended up in 5th in the first place. He would have just gone to the front and left everybody. Not saying it might not have been an advantage, but 2 mph is a lot. He would have been almost a second per lap faster than everybody else. The first long run, he would have been gone.
 
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GAVol said:
You act as if it's uncommon for things to change quickly in a plate race. More a function of tires than anything else. If he was truly 2 MPH faster, he would have never ended up in 5th in the first place. He would have just gone to the front and left everybody. Not saying it might not have been an advantage, but 2 mph is a lot. He would have been almost a second per lap faster than everybody else. The first long run, he would have been gone.
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While your assessment would be 100% accurate if it was for the entire race but I read that it happened on his last pit stop with a few laps to go under caution...just what I read that's all...
 
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VOLinthaATL said:
While your assessment would be 100% accurate if it was for the entire race but I read that it happened on his last pit stop with a few laps to go under caution...just what I read that's all...
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That would make more sense if that was what happened, but the way I understood it, the bolts that attached the shocks to the car were inserted incorrectly. That doesn't sound like something they could really alter during a race without taking a lot of time in the pits. Who knows?
 
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GAVol said:
That would make more sense if that was what happened, but the way I understood it, the bolts that attached the shocks to the car were inserted incorrectly. That doesn't sound like something they could really alter during a race without taking a lot of time in the pits. Who knows?
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Oh I heard that a part broke underneath his car on ESPN...let me see if I can find an article...
 
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Rocky Top said:
It's plate racing man, you can go from 15th to 1st in one lap at Daytona and Dega. Nothing uncommon about that.
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Ok, while this may be true I am just saying that I heard or read somewhere that on the last caution with a few laps to go a part broke under the car that made it lower...there is an article on ESPN where Jeff Burton even says it was a part failure...
 
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If it was the #8 car people would be saying "You can't blame him for trying to stretch the rules, that's racing!"
 
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Oh I agree something happened durring the race to cause it, I don't doubt that for a second. Kinda like when cars get in wrecks I'm sure they don't always past post race inspections...if your legal before the race it's kinda weak to nail them for what might have happened durring the race. JMO
 
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Rocky Top said:
If it was the #8 car people would be saying "You can't blame him for trying to stretch the rules, that's racing!"
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B.S.

They came down on Waltrip worse than they have ever came down on anyone. Then Gordon cheats and its a slap.

If Jr was to cheat like that i say fine him and deduct points. And i am the biggest Earnhardt fan on earth.
 
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checkerboard_charly said:
B.S.

They came down on Waltrip worse than they have ever came down on anyone. Then Gordon cheats and its a slap.

If Jr was to cheat like that i say fine him and deduct points. And i am the biggest Earnhardt fan on earth.
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I agree they have to be fair all the way around.Can't blame the drivers though if Nascar keeps wimping out on enforcing the rules.
 
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Rocky Top said:
If it was the #8 car people would be saying "You can't blame him for trying to stretch the rules, that's racing!"
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WRONG! :bad:

As long as Nascar went by the same rules as the other teams, I would say that he and his team deserved it.
 
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VOLinthaATL said:
While your assessment would be 100% accurate if it was for the entire race but I read that it happened on his last pit stop with a few laps to go under caution...just what I read that's all...
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Did they break out the templates on every pit stop and determine that's when it happens? Maybe it happened going into turn 3 of the last lap since that's the only part of the race he led despite apparently being 2.5mph faster the whole time?

Rocky Top said:
If it was the #8 car people would be saying "You can't blame him for trying to stretch the rules, that's racing!"
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Jr. has been caught with his car too low before after a win as well, and it was the same deal with Gordon, just something that happens, except he was docked points and fined about $10K.

Clearly, some need to learn the meaning of "intent". That seems to be NASCAR's biggest factor in handing out penalties.
 
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Maybe another reason there wasn't any point reductions is because it was a non points race?
 
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It was a points race when Kahne, Kenseth, Sadler, Riggs, and Waltrip were qualifying??? Itw as a points race when Martin had points deducted and a fine invoked when he was too low after qualifying a few years ago???
 
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Rocky Top said:
Maybe another reason there wasn't any point reductions is because it was a non points race?
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Perhaps, but it was a qualifying race. Everyone else who lost points was a result of qualifying. Nascar needs to come up with a set in stone rule book and quit with the on the spot judgement calls. It's not just rules on the cars, everything is a judgement call, and varies from driver to driver, and incident to incident. Look at the inconsistent way that Nascar enforces "rough driving" penalties. There was an incident last year where a driver was penalized a lap, then told that he couldn't make it up on the lucky dog. That had never been a rule before. Nascar made that one up on the spot. Look at the mysterious "debris" cautions that come out whenever a big name driver is about to go a lap down, or gets in the lucky dog position (and I know that Dale Jr has benefited from that several times). I just think Nascar needs to put it in writing, if you do A then B is the penalty, and enforce it the same way every time. :twocents:
 
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