Jennings,Moshak,Mason,Schlosser-The Timeline (Long, Super Long)

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What follows is a timeline of events which began in 2008-09. All of the complaints, affidavits, court filings, etc. can be found by a simple search at documentcloud.com, the rest is from news accounts.


Time Line

Apr. 8, 2008 – Lady Vols defeat Stanford to win 8th National Championship.

Dec. 1, 2008 – UT hires Lane Kiffin

Dec. 21, 2008 – Kiffin hires Mark Smith as his Strength and Conditioning Coach.

Feb. 2, 2009 – Debbie Greenwell, Alabama Cheerleader Coach Fired.
Greenwell said she walked into Moore's office on a Monday morning, Feb. 2, 2009, with no idea that she was about to lose her job of more than 20 years. A former University of Alabama cheerleader herself, she'd been the school's cheerleading coach since 1987. She'd had many talks with Moore, the AD, but this one was different.
According to Greenwell:
Hart was there, too. Hart told her she'd been fired because the school no longer had the same level of trust in her. Moore mentioned something about "an ongoing investigation."
Hart handed her a letter she wouldn't read until later. It read, in part, "Significant questions and concerns have arisen regarding your supervision of the cheerleading program, including the operation of camps. Based on the information that we have obtained in an ongoing investigation, we are concerned about your conduct and poor judgment in dealing with University property, funds, authority and other important aspects of your job."
Greenwell said she was never informed of any specific problems or allegations. Instead, she said, she was immediately escorted to her office. Two university officials took her cell phone, laptop and desktop computer and watched as she packed her personal belongings in boxes.
"It was humiliating," Greenwell said.

Feb. 23, 2009 - UT athletic departments move ahead with streamline plans
The men’s and women’s athletic departments at Tennessee are moving forward with plans to combine parts of their operations in an effort to save money and operate more efficiently.
The first phase of changes will affect the compliance, development, event management and sports information offices in both departments. ~ GoVolsXtra

May 21, 2009 - Strength coach weakened; Smith is placed under strict review by Kiffin. When Smith was hired, UT said he would earn $190,000. His pay was $140,000 at South Carolina.
Tennessee head football strength and conditioning coach Mark Smith is under strict review by coach Lane Kiffin and might not be with the Vols when summer workouts begin in June, a source told the News Sentinel. The specifics of the friction between Smith and Kiffin were not disclosed. ~ GoVolsXtra

May 22, 2009 – Lane Kiffin and Mark Smith Part Ways.
Sources told ESPN.com that Kiffin and his strength and conditioning coach, Mark Smith, met on Thursday and agreed to part ways. The details of Smith's departure as strength coach were still being finalized, and Tennessee athletic department officials declined to comment. ~ ESPN – Chris Low

June 8, 2009 - On June 8, 2009 the Raiders organization issued a statement about Lane Kiffin in Tennessee:"Lane Kiffin is a flat-out liar. He lied to the team, he lied to the fans, and he lied to the media. He will try to destroy that university like he tried to destroy the Raiders..."

June 21, 2009 -

North Texas coach: Ausmus heading to Tennessee
Tennessee appears to have settled on a new strength and conditioning coach.On Wednesday, athletic director Mike Hamilton said the Vols had reached an agreement to pay strength and conditioning coach Mark Smith the full amount of his two-year agreement with UT.

Dec. 8, 2009 – Pete Thamel writes an article for the New York Times regarding the NCAA launching an investigation related to Tennessee and what would become “Hostess Gate”. It starts: “The N.C.A.A. is conducting a wide-ranging investigation into the University of Tennessee’s football recruiting practices, according to interviews with several prospects, their family members and high school administrators. A significant part of the investigation is focused on the use of recruiting hostesses who have become folk heroes on Tennessee Internet message boards for their ability to help lure top recruits.”

Dec. 31, 2009 – Vols trounced in Chic-Filet Bowl by Va. Tech on New Years Eve.

Jan. 12, 2010 – Lane Kiffin leaves UT for USC.

Jan. 15, 2010 – Derek Dooley is hired by UT.

Feb. 2010 – Jenny Moshak, Heather Mason, and Collin Schlosser file a discrimination complaint with the University of Tennessee Office of Equity and Diversity (OED).
2010 – From Jennings amended complaint: In 2010, there was an opening for the position Associate Athletic Director for Communications. Jennings made her interest in the position known to a member of the search committee and that person suggested she should apply for the position. Jennings contends that her supervisor Chris Fuller told her she should not apply for the position because Derek Dooley does not want to work with a female. This is paraphrased. Jimmy Stanton was hired on Aug. 10 2010.

Aug. 10, 2010 – UT Hires Jimmy Stanton. Stanton joins UT as associate athletic director for communications. The University of Tennessee athletic department announced the addition of Jimmy Stanton (M.S. 1997) as associate athletic director for communications…. Stanton will report to Chris Fuller, senior associate athletic director for external operations. ~ official UT release

Sept. 10, 2010 – UT receives Letter of Inquiry from the NCAA
It's apparent that the letter of inquiry deals with the men's basketball program, although UT did not specify what sport in a release announcing the press conference. ~ GoVolsXtra

Sept. 27, 2010 – Memo from Jimmy Stanton to Chris Fuller Re: My conversation with Debbie Jennings, Sept. 27, 2010. Of his meeting with Jennings Stanton says, “ I found many of the attitudes and perspective expressed to me in that conversation troubling and indicative of a disrespectful, and at times downright hostile attitude toward numerous internal constituencies.” There is much more in the memo. ~ Released by UT to the media.

Winter 2010-2011 – From Debby Jennings’ amended complaint: “In the Winter 2010-2011, the Plaintiff learned that UT-K was going to hire a person to run the Media Relations Office and Plaintiff went to Jimmy Stanton and asked him if she could be considered to run the Media Relations Office.” Further, the complaint goes on to say, …”Jimmy Stanton told the Plaintiff “no,” she would not be considered for the position. Reason according to complaint is that Stanton didn’t have the confidence that she could do the job because “she was opinionated about the staff.” Debby Jennings had run the Media Relations office for the Women’s AD for 33 years. Jason Yellin at the time of his hire had 21 years of total experience, but none or possibly only 7 or fewer years running a Media Relations Office.??? Yellin was hired May 23, 2011.

January 20, 2011 – OED sends its findings in the case of Moshak, Mason and Schlosser to Dr. Jimmy Cheek. OED found no discrimination took place or that equal pay had been violated but noted…” "However, several processes were applied in such a way that existing checks and balances were bypassed thus contributing to the present case.”

Mar. 1, 2011 – Memo from Jimmy Stanton to Chris Fuller. Follow up to Jennings’ 2010 performance review. Paraphrasing…she accuses Stanton of discrimination and tells him that she has discussed the issue with Pat Summitt. Stanton found it troubling and hurtful and said it was “absolutely not true.” There is much more in the memo. In the performance review, it should be noted that Jennings was marked as “ Fully Achieves Expectations” or better in every category. At the end of the review, the supervisor can comment. Stanton wrote…..”While there is limited evidence to indicate that she believed in the direction in which athletic communication is headed, her goals indicate that she views this as a high priority for her in 2011.” The rest of his comments were positive. The box for “appropriate corrective action has been discussed with employee” was checked “No”.

April 29, 2011 - President Joe Dipietro denies Moshak, Mason , and Schlosser appeal.

May 10, 2011 – Memo from Chris Fuller to Tyler Johnson Re:
May 10, 2011 meeting with Debbie Jennings. This meeting was a result of the Mar. 1, 2011 memo in regards to Ms. Jennings allegation that Jimmy Stanton was discriminating against her on the basis of her gender and age. Fuller asks if she feels so strongly about the discrimination, why she had not gone to OED. Jennings had gotten advice but did not want to advance a claim at the time. There is more in the memo.

May 23, 2011 - The University of Tennessee announced the addition of Jason Yellin to the athletic communications department as the assistant athletic director for media relations. Yellin, who is in his seventh year at the University of Massachusetts and currently serves as the associate athletic director for media relations, will have direct oversight of the media relations department for Tennessee Athletics and will be involved with the football communications team. ~ UTSports.com

May 28, 2011 - A 45-year career that's not done; Bud Ford stepping into historian role with UT athletics UT's longtime media relations director has announced his retirement, effective this December. Then, he will take on a new challenge, in the part-time position as UT's athletic department historian, beginning Jan. 1 of next year. ~ GoVolsXtra – John Adams

June 7, 2011 – Athletic Director Mike Hamilton resigns effective June 30, 2011.

June 9, 2011 –“ Longtime UT women’s athletic director Joan Cronan, who was named the university’s interim vice chancellor/director of athletics Thursday, will leave that post when a permanent vice chancellor/director of athletics is named, and return to her job as women's athletic director.In June 2012 she will take on the role as a senior adviser to the school’s vice chancellor and chancellor through June 2014. Her position won’t be filled…” ~ GoVolsXtra

June 15, 2011 – Dave Serrano hired as new UT baseball coach.

June 30, 2011 – Debbie Greenwell files suit in federal court in Alabama
BIRMINGHAM, Alabama - Two years after she was fired, former University of Alabama cheerleading coach Debbie Greenwell has filed a civil lawsuit against AD Mal Moore, executive AD Dave Hart, university president Robert Witt and the school's trustees. The lawsuit also argues that Alabama has "wrongfully threatened (Greenwell) with criminal prosecution for some undefined financial offense." ~ Birmingham News – Kevin Scarbinsky

July 1, 2011 – Debbie Greenwell is arrested. Ex-Alabama cheerleading coach Debbie Greenwell charged with theft, ethics violations | al.com

Aug. 23, 2011 – Pat Summitt reveals early on set dementia diagnosis.

Sept. 5, 2011 - KNOXVILLE, Tenn. -- Tennessee introduced Dave Hart as its new vice chancellor and athletic director on Monday night. ~ AP

Sept. 20, 2011 - Q&A with new UT athletic director Dave Hart - 'Excellence' still the goal for merged departments
Q: What are your immediate goals as UT's new athletic director?
A: To sit down like you and I are right now, one on one, with staff and coaches. Listen and absorb what they have to say during that conversation and that exchange because I think that when you do that, you begin to develop some common threads — good, bad or indifferent. Paints a little bit of a picture for you that you may not have as you initially come in without having the ability to sit down with people.
We've got to put a leadership team in place administratively. That's going to be something that will be very, very important. We're merging the programs. We've got to look at what is the best direction to move in and what is the destination. You can't get in the car and start driving around. You've got to know where you're going. Collectively, we've got to establish that as a high priority.~ GoVolXtra by Andrew Gribble

Dec. 6, 2011 - UT women's athletics employees take discrimination claim to EEOC
Last option for claims of discrimination
Tuesday, December 6, 2011 A twice-rejected claim of gender discrimination still hovers over the Tennessee athletic department, as the three women's athletics employees behind it have exercised their last option and taken their case to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. ~ GoVolsXtra.com

Dec. 2011 – Hart asks Jennings to resign. From Burkhalter’s letter to Cheek: …“Ultimately, shortly before Christmas 2011, Mr. Hart told Debby he wanted her to announce her retirement before the end of the year.”

Dec 25, 2011 - Groundwork laid for merging of UT's long-separate athletic departments - Arkansas AD consulted
Earlier in the month, Hart and members of his tight-knit leadership team, the UT administrators who will guide the program through this complicated and important process, escaped from the office and retreated to an undisclosed location in the city. There, the groundwork was drawn up for what one, cohesive UT athletic department will stand for and how that plan will be executed during the two to three months after the holiday season.
Throughout his first three months at UT, Hart opened up those lines of communication through a long series of one-on-one meetings with about 60 members of the athletic department. Lasting roughly an hour apiece, the meetings, which focused on similar talking points no matter who was on the other side of the table, provided Hart with a sense of what he could consider as the program's "strengths and weaknesses.""I got to know people, they had an opportunity to get to know me," Hart said. "It really helped me gauge whether I was missing the mark or on the mark with what my eyes were seeing."It was very, very productive and beneficial." ~ GoVolsXtra – by Andrew Gribble

Jan. 11, 2012 – Jennings sends Hart an e-mail saying she does not want to retire.

Feb. 15, 2012 – From Summitt’s affidavit: "On February 15, 2012, I had a meeting with Dave Hart. I requested the meeting to talk to Dave Hart because I heard that he wanted to discontinue using the Lady Vol logo. In that meeting, he told me he intended to place all UT women's and men's athletic teams under the 'power T' so they would be 'all Volunteers.' I was angered when he came out in an interview with the media in May 2012 and denied he ever intended to do away with the Lady Vol logo.”

Feb. 27, 2012 – Hart responds to Jennings’ Jan. 11 e-mail. He says, “I lack confidence in your commitment to the current management structure and your willingness to adapt to a unified department while generating positive energy.”
Mar. 4, 2012 – Lady Vols win SEC Tournament 70-58 over LSU.

Mar. 14 2012 – Summitt has meeting with Hart and states in her August 10, 2012 affidavit that “Dave Hart indicated to me that I would not be coaching the Lady Vol Basketball Team in the next school year(2012-13).”
Mar. 15 and 16, 2012 – Jennings types the e-mail regarding the meeting between Hart and Summitt and asks Hart to reconsider his decision to have Summitt not coach next year. She also responds to Hart’s e-mail from Feb. 27, 2012. The e-mail has an address of March 15 and the time stamp says sent 12:52 AM Mar. 16.

Mar. 16 – Hart responds to Jennings e-mail at 11:03 AM. “The e-mail you sent me at 12:52 AM regarding Coach Summitt is so inaccurate, on so many levels, that it doesn’t warrant a meaningful response.”

Mar. 16 – UT defeats UT-Martin in the first round of the NCAA Tournament.

Mar. 19 – UT defeats DePaul in the second round.

Mar. 24 – UT defeats Kansas in the Sweet Sixteen.

Mar. 26 – UT is defeated by #1 seed Baylor in the Elite Eight.

Apr. 16 2012 - The University of Tennessee athletics department revealed on Monday that it will eliminate 17 full-time positions as part of its consolidation of the men's and women's athletics departments.The 17 employees have been notified that their positions will be eliminated June 1, according to a release issued by Jimmy Stanton, associate athletic director for communications/football. ~ GoVolsXtra
Among those “eliminated” is Collin Schlosser.

Apr. 18, 2012 – Coach Pat Summitt is named Head Coach Emeritus.

May 15, 2012 @ 1:00 PM – Hart gives Jennings the ultimatum to retire, be terminated or resign. She decides to retire.

May 18, 2012 – Jennings’ attorney, Mr. Burkhalter , sends Jimmy Cheek an e-mail/letter in regards to Jennings “forced retirement”.

May 18, 2012 - Bud Ford files breach of contract claim against UT
Ford, who retired in December after 45 years with the UT sports information office, said Friday he filed a claim on April 23 with the state Division of Claims Administration. Ford is seeking $40,000, compensation for a one-year agreement to serve as athletic department historian. Ford said he had a signed agreement for the position, which was to take place after his retirement. Dave Hart, who took over as athletic director and vice-chancellor in September, declined to comment on Friday. GoVolsExtra – Mike Strange

May 24, 2012 – UT’s General Counsel responds to the May 18, letter from Burkhalter. ..”Dave Hart decided that Ms. Jennings employment was no longer in the best interests of the Athletic Department because she was insubordinate, disrespectful, and fostered an atmosphere of negativity and division.” Attached to the letter was Hart’s e-mail to Jennings from Feb. 27, 2012. Hart brings up the negativity and division, but the word “insubordinate” is not used in the e-mail. Also attached is Jennings’ e-mail from March 15/16 and Hart’s response on the 16th.

May 24, 2012 – UT releases the above mentioned e-mail Jennings sent Hart on March 16 and approximately 250 pages of documents to the media.

May 25, 2012 – Burkhalter responds to UT’s General Council letter. It starts, “I am in receipt of your letter of May 24, 2012, which I note you released to the media along with approximately 250 documents according to the Associated Press. Your letter also contains several assertions and inaccuracies which I will not comment on at this time.” Jennings stands by her statement regarding what Summitt told her following the March 14 Summitt/Hart meeting.

May 31, 2012 – John Adams has a column in the KNS regarding the perception that Hart is not a strong proponent of women’s athletics. Hart is asked by a reporter in Destin Fla. at SEC Media Days a question about the Lady Vols logo and the possible removal of CPS’s name from the floor. Hart is quoted by John Adams: “Why would we.” The column goes on to say the issue of the logo has never been discussed. New head coach Holly Warlick is quoted as well: “Everybody is concerned about the (Lady Vols) logo”, she said. He has never said we’re getting rid of the logo…”

June 21, 2012 – Former FSU Softball Coach JoAnne Graph mails a letter to The Knoxville News Sentinel regarding Dave Hart’s time at FSU.

June 23, 2012 – GoVolsExtra and KNS writer posts this headline on GVX: Dispute May Have Lost Strength – 2 received raises and other among layoffs. “Six months after filing a claim with the EEOC, Schlosser is gone, while Moshak and Mason remain. According to a listing of athletic department salaries obtained by the News Sentinel through a public records request, Moshak and Mason each have received raises.”

Aug. 4, 2012 - Former Florida State coach says Dave Hart was bully to women
The unrelenting letter to the editor, postmarked June 21, arrived in Knoxville by way of Tallahassee, Fla.
JoAnne Graf, Florida State's softball coach from 1978-2008, recalled 13 years of discrimination and inequity. Her former athletic director, she wrote, was a "bully (to) women both directly and indirectly." Her former athletic director was "threatened by strong, independent women." Her former athletic director was "definitely not an advocate for women." GoVolsXtra – Brendan F. Quinn

Aug. 10, 2012 – Summitt signs an affidavit in the presence of Tyler Summitt as a witness with regards to the Feb. 15, 2012 (Lady Vol Logo) meeting and the Mar. 14th meeting( Summitt will not be coach 2012-13).

Aug. 30, 2012 - Cheer Coach's Lawsuit Survives Motion to Dismiss
The federal district court recently denied the University of Alabama's motion to dismiss the retaliation and equal pay claims after determining that Greenwell's complaint stated plausible claims for violations of the respective laws. ~ Title IX Blog

Sept. 27, 2012 –“ Debby Jennings filed suit Thursday in federal court against the University of Tennessee and athletic director Dave Hart alleging "unlawful discrimination and retaliation" after her abrupt departure this spring from an athletic department that she served for more than 35 years as the primary media contact for Lady Vols athletics.” ~The Knoxville News Sentinel

Oct. 3, 2012 – News of Pat Summitt’s affidavit leaks to media outlets.

Oct. 4, 2012 – Burkhalter amends the Jennings complaint and includes Summitt’s affidavit.

Oct. 5, 2012 – Summitt releases a statement saying she did not feel “forced out” at any time.

Oct 5, 2012 – Burkhalter releases a statement saying that Jennings did not allege that Summitt was forced out.

Oct. 11, 2012 – Moshak, Mason, and Schlosser file suit against UT in federal court.

April 25th, 2013 - Heather Mason is fired.
Tennessee Lady Vols cite job performance in firing of associate strength coach Heather Mason - ESPN

August 16th, 2013 - Jenny Moshak Resigns
Jenny Moshak retiring from UT over 'issues of equality' » GoVolsXtra

September 26, 2013 - Court rules Jennings lawsuit against Hart can go forward. This is the same judge the Moshak, Mason and Schlosser case will be in front of.
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Googling around a bit it seems the charge against Greenwell is that she embezzled $188k. Supposedly checks that should have gone to the university ended up in her personal account. It will be interesting to see how all of that plays out. I would suppose there are some public documents available somewhere detailing the charges against her. Her complaint against the university comes up and is easy to find when you google her name.
 
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Googling around a bit it seems the charge against Greenwell is that she embezzled $188k. Supposedly checks that should have gone to the university ended up in her personal account. It will be interesting to see how all of that plays out. I would suppose there are some public documents available somewhere detailing the charges against her. Her complaint against the university comes up and is easy to find when you google her name.

I have not been able to find a document that says exactly what Alabama is accusing Greenwell of, just because I can't find it doesn't mean it does not exist. However, I think it odd that a person would be arrested and charged 2 years after committing a felony that the University says they had proof of the day they fired her. One day after she files suit.

She was a cheerleader at Alabama. She started a program and turned it into the second largest money maker on campus behind only the football program. She was there for 20 + years, long before Hart arrived. I'm not saying it's not possible she took money. It's possible. Sure seems like a strange set of circumstances though.
 
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I have not been able to find a document that says exactly what Alabama is accusing Greenwell of, just because I can't find it doesn't mean it does not exist. However, I think it odd that a person would be arrested and charged 2 years after committing a felony that the University says they had proof of the day they fired her. One day after she files suit.

She was a cheerleader at Alabama. She started a program and turned it into the second largest money maker on campus behind only the football program. She was there for 20 + years, long before Hart arrived. I'm not saying it's not possible she took money. It's possible. Sure seems like a strange set of circumstances though.

Not really. It happens quite frequently.
 
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Greenwell is married to, interestingly, Pat Greenwell current UofA Dive Coach. Has two daughters, both went to Bama.
 
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Greenwell was charged with one count of theft of property in the first degree in the amount of $188,396.21 and two counts of ethics violations as a public employee using her position and public facilities for personal gain
 
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Greenwell was charged with one count of theft of property in the first degree in the amount of $188,396.21 and two counts of ethics violations as a public employee using her position and public facilities for personal gain

Found the link and added to the time line. Seems even stranger to me now. It's hard to believe they were going to let her just walk away with that much money.
 
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Found the link and added to the time line. Seems even stranger to me now. It's hard to believe they were going to let her just walk away with that much money.

I would assume the money was retrieved or the financial malfeasance rectified. The fact she is married to the dive coach may have had something to do with a deal being worked out. She and her lawyer were not surprised at the charges being filed so that indicates to me at least that they knew charges would be a likely consequence of their filing suit. It sounds like a fairly sticky situation.

Another female took Greenwell's place so that is hardly indicative of discrimination as a motivation for her termination. Even if Hart were a misogynistic pig of the worst sort I don't see him firing the cheer leading coach because she is female or trumping up a bunch of charges with no basis in fact. He wouldn't have cared enough about it one way or the other to waste the time and energy.

I also don't see why Greenwell would press the issue if she were truly caught and then let off the hook. It may be a gray area where she was using the Alabama name to run training camps while pocketing the money. I think this is sometimes done with permission of the university in men's football as a way of funneling more money to coaches. If the same opportunity were not allowed to Greenwell then she may have taken exception and filed suit and Alabama may have filed charges in response since she was not authorized to keep the money.

That is all wild speculation on my part but I like to amuse myself by coming up with scenarios that match the behavior and facts as we know them. I sincerely doubt I hit it on the head but what I described does illustrate how something that you think should be cut and dried could actually be fairly complex. In a scenario like the one I described I could even see some or all of the money not being retrieved as a sort of de facto settlement... you don't sue us and we don't throw you in the slammer as long as we each go our separate ways.
 
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I would assume the money was retrieved or the financial malfeasance rectified. The fact she is married to the dive coach may have had something to do with a deal being worked out. She and her lawyer were not surprised at the charges being filed so that indicates to me at least that they knew charges would be a likely consequence of their filing suit. It sounds like a fairly sticky situation.

Another female took Greenwell's place so that is hardly indicative of discrimination as a motivation for her termination. Even if Hart were a misogynistic pig of the worst sort I don't see him firing the cheer leading coach because she is female or trumping up a bunch of charges with no basis in fact. He wouldn't have cared enough about it one way or the other to waste the time and energy.

I also don't see why Greenwell would press the issue if she were truly caught and then let off the hook. It may be a gray area where she was using the Alabama name to run training camps while pocketing the money. I think this is sometimes done with permission of the university in men's football as a way of funneling more money to coaches. If the same opportunity were not allowed to Greenwell then she may have taken exception and filed suit and Alabama may have filed charges in response since she was not authorized to keep the money.

That is all wild speculation on my part but I like to amuse myself by coming up with scenarios that match the behavior and facts as we know them. I sincerely doubt I hit it on the head but what I described does illustrate how something that you think should be cut and dried could actually be fairly complex. In a scenario like the one I described I could even see some or all of the money not being retrieved as a sort of de facto settlement... you don't sue us and we don't throw you in the slammer as long as we each go our separate ways.

Alot of your "speculation" is spot on. Greenwell and her attorney wern't surprised because Alabama made the allegation upon her termination.

As for the camps, from the original complaint: http://media.al.com/bn/other/debbie greenwell lawsuit.pdf

...Her salary at that time had just increased to $35,000 a year, so she had combined income of $85,000 (In other words, she was allowed to supplement her salary with 10% of the camp money which at that time was $500,000.00). At this point, the position of head football coach at the University of Alabama paid over $4,000,000 per year. That coach was responsible for only one intercollegiate season, and was allowed to “own” his high school football summer camps, and keep the profits earned by the camps, while paying the University approximately 10% for the use of their facilities. It was at this point that Mal Moore called Greenwell in and told her that he was going to increase her salary from $35,000 to $50,000, but he also informed her that her percentage of camp earnings would be capped at $35,000, in effect limiting her income to $85,000 on a permanent basis, despite her extraordinary performance of the difficult job, the fact that she worked year round, and had personally grown the camps to the profit making level outdone only by the football program, and despitethe success of her squad in National Competition standings.

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The University replaced Greenwell with a male who was approximately 20
years younger than her. This was the person she had selected to be hired as her assistant, and had mentored.


I don't think it's cut and dried at all, far from it. I think it could be anything from a disgruntled employee to intimidation of an employee, with just the facts at hand, one could make a case for either.

I will say that one of her complaints besides what she felt like was an inequity in terms of the camp revenues and how it was used by the University was that she very much wanted her student athletes to receive the same accademic support as other Bama athletes. I've read interviews for cheerleding publications where she talked about that, so she wasn't just complaining to her boss, she was also complaining publicly.
 
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OK, but I found a link to an article that stated that the person who replaced her was a woman. I assume that is the same position since they mention the championship Greenwell claims. Greenwell was let go in February and this person was hired in May. That means if this is the same position and a male was appointed then he didn't last more than a few weeks. Something doesn't add up there.

I suppose I should read the link you provided to the lawsuit (I assume that is what it is) if I get the time but it is nice to know I am still pretty good at reading between the lines. It wasn't so hard to put two and two together considering camp money was involved and a discrimination complaint was filed. The other thing the charges imply is that Greenwell continued to take more money than allowed after the edict was issued or else I don't think there would have been charges filed. That much seems to be implied by the sequence of events as currently known. Either that or she was operating in a grey area all along.

If it were me I would have allowed her to keep 10% with no cap because I believe in incentives and that would have given her every incentive to grow the program and maximize revenues. But that assumes everything else was satisfactory and all of the money was being handled properly. If I were dead set on claiming more of the revenue then I would have offered tutoring for the cheerleaders in exchange for the salary cap as it would not have required a huge amount of additional resources and the tutors could have been used for all sports.

On the other hand if I were Greenwell I would have adjusted my prices for the camps so that $350k was brought in and my income was maximized. Either that or I would have limited the number of attendees so that $350k was the maximum revenue. There are ways to get what you want --- and there are ways.

I would also look at the deal Bama offered as being an easier and surer way of reaching $85k every year. There was no assurance that her camp would stay as hot or profitable as it was. As a small business owner I know that your revenues are never assured. Your business can shrink as easily as it can grow. Having the higher base salary was not something that was without value. Quite the opposite. Coming off a national title it would not surprise me if her revenues from the camp were as high as they would likely ever be. At least that is how I would plan if it were my own business.

But anyway, she is free now to run whatever sort of camp she likes and grow it as much as she wants without the Alabama brand. She can keep all of the revenues and pay all of the expenses. If she was the attraction and not the brand then she should be able to command even more than she did before for her services. If she were smart she would have taken the mailing list with her and started her own Alabama Cheerleading Camp (no one owns the rights to a state name) and set up her own business. The icing on the cake would be that it would siphon revenues from Bama's own program and she could advertise the title she won as part of her cv. Ex-football coaches do this sort of thing all the time.

If she is arguing that the football coach was treated better then yeah, that is always going to be the case because they can command those sorts of perks given the revenue they bring in from all sources. Football brings in maybe $100 million and the cheer leading camps bring in maybe $500,000 which I am sure goes right back into paying for the cheer leading program the rest of the year. I would bet the program as a whole still loses money. In short keeping the right football coach vs the wrong one can easily mean $50 million in yearly revenue. Keeping the right cheer leading coach vs. hiring just anyone off the street has a maximum penalty/reward of $500k. Hell yeah, the football coach will have a better deal.

Football has always been the biggest problem in these gender suits because there is no female equivalent to it in revenue or popularity and women do not play the sport.
 
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OK, but I found a link to an article that stated that the person who replaced her was a woman. I assume that is the same position since they mention the championship Greenwell claims. Greenwell was let go in February and this person was hired in May. That means if this is the same position and a male was appointed then he didn't last more than a few weeks. Something doesn't add up there.

I suppose I should read the link you provided to the lawsuit (I assume that is what it is) if I get the time but it is nice to know I am still pretty good at reading between the lines. It wasn't so hard to put two and two together considering camp money was involved and a discrimination complaint was filed. The other thing the charges imply is that Greenwell continued to take more money than allowed after the edict was issued or else I don't think there would have been charges filed. That much seems to be implied by the sequence of events as currently known. Either that or she was operating in a grey area all along.

If it were me I would have allowed her to keep 10% with no cap because I believe in incentives and that would have given her every incentive to grow the program and maximize revenues. But that assumes everything else was satisfactory and all of the money was being handled properly. If I were dead set on claiming more of the revenue then I would have offered tutoring for the cheerleaders in exchange for the salary cap as it would not have required a huge amount of additional resources and the tutors could have been used for all sports.

On the other hand if I were Greenwell I would have adjusted my prices for the camps so that $350k was brought in and my income was maximized. Either that or I would have limited the number of attendees so that $350k was the maximum revenue. There are ways to get what you want --- and there are ways.

I would also look at the deal Bama offered as being an easier and surer way of reaching $85k every year. There was no assurance that her camp would stay as hot or profitable as it was. As a small business owner I know that your revenues are never assured. Your business can shrink as easily as it can grow. Having the higher base salary was not something that was without value. Quite the opposite. Coming off a national title it would not surprise me if her revenues from the camp were as high as they would likely ever be. At least that is how I would plan if it were my own business.

But anyway, she is free now to run whatever sort of camp she likes and grow it as much as she wants without the Alabama brand. She can keep all of the revenues and pay all of the expenses. If she was the attraction and not the brand then she should be able to command even more than she did before for her services. If she were smart she would have taken the mailing list with her and started her own Alabama Cheerleading Camp (no one owns the rights to a state name) and set up her own business. The icing on the cake would be that it would siphon revenues from Bama's own program and she could advertise the title she won as part of her cv. Ex-football coaches do this sort of thing all the time.

If she is arguing that the football coach was treated better then yeah, that is always going to be the case because they can command those sorts of perks given the revenue they bring in from all sources. Football brings in maybe $100 million and the cheer leading camps bring in maybe $500,000 which I am sure goes right back into paying for the cheer leading program the rest of the year. I would bet the program as a whole still loses money. In short keeping the right football coach vs the wrong one can easily mean $50 million in yearly revenue. Keeping the right cheer leading coach vs. hiring just anyone off the street has a maximum penalty/reward of $500k. Hell yeah, the football coach will have a better deal.

Football has always been the biggest problem in these gender suits because there is no female equivalent to it in revenue or popularity and women do not play the sport.

Man, I really appreciate the thought out post, and I agree with alot you have to say and I'll elaborate another day because I'm gettin ready for Bama.

One of her contentions is that none of the revenues from her camps were going back into cheerleading. She was cool with the 10% I think, but she wanted some of the money she raised to go back to HER student athletes rather than be used for other student athletes.

I'm no fool, I understand the "complexities of football" that every University uses to hire football coaches and S&C Coaches. However, should the new S&C coach be able to bring a trainer from wherever he's coming from and pay him whatever he wants regardless of what the other trainers with more experience get paid? That is the #1 issue in the Moshak case.

The last thing we need to be doing today is thinking about this ball of wax. Go Big Orange! Buck Fama!!! Shock The World!:clapping:
 
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Updated with today's news that Jennings can sue Hart as an individual.
 
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Jimmy Hyams @JimmyHyams · Sep 18

The University of Tennessee is negotiating to settle the Debby Jennings lawsuit. Could be as soon as today, expected to be within a week.


Jimmy Hyams @JimmyHyams · Sep 18

Sources said atlantic apartment officials were reluctant to settle but u_t officials wanted to reach agreement
 
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Jimmy Hyams @JimmyHyams · Sep 18

The University of Tennessee is negotiating to settle the Debby Jennings lawsuit. Could be as soon as today, expected to be within a week.


Jimmy Hyams @JimmyHyams · Sep 18

Sources said atlantic apartment officials were reluctant to settle but u_t officials wanted to reach agreement

I don't think too highly of Dave Hart. Never have. Something not right with that guy. But, I feel he has stumbled into two good hires.
 
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Hart has got that oily quality that we see with certain middle-aged southern men who dye their hair and who worked previously for the alabama athletic department, which is full of sketchy good ole boys.
 
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I don't think too highly of Dave Hart. Never have. Something not right with that guy. But, I feel he has stumbled into two good hires.

I don't really have an opinion of the guy, but I would have thought less of him and the administration had this lawsuit gone forward. I'm glad for Coach Summitt that these parties have come to their senses.
 
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I don't really have an opinion of the guy, but I would have thought less of him and the administration had this lawsuit gone forward. I'm glad for Coach Summitt that these parties have come to their senses.

Good point. Glad the judge allowed the suit to proceed.
 
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The BOT needed a little sociopathic hatchet man. That's why they hired Hart. He had proved his mettle at Alabama.
 
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The BOT needed a little sociopathic hatchet man. That's why they hired Hart. He had proved his mettle at Alabama.

I find this all to difficult to follow and have to have an educated opinion, but the money the U.T. athletic department has to pay out should come out of someone (Hart's?) pocket. someone in the administration should have their income deducted this amount. they actually should be fired..
 
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