Jerry Jones Seeks Rooney Rule Exception

[GregoryHouse]

Jerry Jones may seek Rooney Rule exemption | ProFootballTalk

Under the Rooney Rule, Jones won’t be able to hand the permanent job to Garrett before the season ends, since Jones will be required to interview at least one minority candidate for the position.

I guess I do not see the point of Jerry Jones wasting his time or the time of black coaches because of the Rooney Rule.



In fact, I wish there wasn't a Rooney Rule. It is unnecessary. The best policy for ensuring black guys are look at for head coaching positions is to become assistant coaches and work their ass off like White, Mexican and Asian coaches do (theoretically).



Coaches like Art Shell (the first time - not the subsequent hirings), Tony Dungy, Mike Tomlin, Mike Singletary (last year), the black coach in Tampa Bay, etc. are the best reasons nowadays to interview a really great assistant coach that is unfortunately African American.



As a Black dude, I would much rather see three or four black coaches who all make the playoffs and have players who stay out of trouble than a bunch of black coaches suffering through 9 loss seasons but are in their positions because team owners felt pressure to hire them and keep them for more than one year.



Good team owners will hire coaches who will help the organization win games...I say let the team owners who continue to see black and white get punished when they discriminate against potential candidates by seeing the results of their racism on the field and in the locker rooms. Do not force them to open their minds.

 

[Voodoomonkey]

The Rooney rule applies for assistant coaches as well I believe and it would make more sense if that's the case.

 

[JTrainDavis]

The Rooney rule applies for assistant coaches as well I believe and it would make more sense if that's the case.

But it's still wasting everyones time to bring a guy in and parade him around when a club has no interest in hiring him. The Rooney rule is a case of the road to hell being paved with good intentions.
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[Ed12111]

But it's still wasting everyones time to bring a guy in and parade him around when a club has no interest in hiring him. The Rooney rule is a case of the road to hell being paved with good intentions.
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Yeah, so many terrible things have happened as a result of the Rooney rule.

 

[rmsmith]

Yeah, so many terrible things have happened as a result of the Rooney rule.

It's just a waste of time. Owners usually know who they want before they interview.

 

[NEO]

Here is the Rooney rule:

Owners who want to hire the best coach don't need it because they will hire the best guy no matter what the skin color.

Owners who want the best coach who is not a minority will bring a minority in, show him around, get a bunch of pictures with him to show the media the guy got a fair shake, and then go back to finishing the paper work on the guy they already had hired before firing the last coach.

 

[JTrainDavis]

Yeah, so many terrible things have happened as a result of the Rooney rule.

Way to totally misconstrue my comments cletus.
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[Ed12111]

Way to totally misconstrue my comments cletus.
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I didn't "misconstrue" your comments. Don't whine how awful a rule is if you can't point out what's so awful about it. The Rooney rule has been a success.

 

[Ed12111]

Here is the Rooney rule:

Owners who want to hire the best coach don't need it because they will hire the best guy no matter what the skin color.

Owners who want the best coach who is not a minority will bring a minority in, show him around, get a bunch of pictures with him to show the media the guy got a fair shake, and then go back to finishing the paper work on the guy they already had hired before firing the last coach.

Mike Tomlin disagrees.

 

[Burhead]

The Rooney rule is a joke anyways, can't remember if it was last year or the year before but Leslie Frazier refused to do an interview when he knew he wasn't getting a fair shot.

 

[rmsmith]

Mike Tomlin disagrees.

So are you saying Tomlin wasn't the best candidate or what?

 

[volinbham]

I didn't "misconstrue" your comments. Don't whine how awful a rule is if you can't point out what's so awful about it. The Rooney rule has been a success.

What successes can be directly attributed to the Rooney rule? What AA coaches were hired as a result that otherwise would not have been hired? Compare that to AA coaches interviewed simply because they were AA regardless of qualification or fit for the job.

 

[Ed12111]

What successes can be directly attributed to the Rooney rule? What AA coaches were hired as a result that otherwise would not have been hired? Compare that to AA coaches interviewed simply because they were AA regardless of qualification or fit for the job.

Mike Tomlin is quoted as saying he wouldn't have gotten hired if not for the Rooney rule. No AA has ever been interviewed who wasn't qualified that is asinine.

 

[BearCat204]

What successes can be directly attributed to the Rooney rule? What AA coaches were hired as a result that otherwise would not have been hired? Compare that to AA coaches interviewed simply because they were AA regardless of qualification or fit for the job.

+1. Not even black coaching candidates think the Rooney rule is successful.

 

[BearCat204]

Mike Tomlin is quoted as saying he wouldn't have gotten hired if not for the Rooney rule. No AA has ever been interviewed who wasn't qualified that is asinine.

Show me that link where he was quoted saying that. You can't, because it didn't happen.

 

[Ed12111]

Before the Rooney rule 7 minority head coaches had been hired in over 80 years. Since the Rooney rule 7 minority head coaches have been hired.

 

[volinbham]

Mike Tomlin and Dan Rooney are both quoted as saying he wouldn't have gotten hired if not for the Rooney rule. No AA has ever been interviewed who wasn't qualified that is asinine.

By qualified I mean most qualified.

Tomlin is the reason it's a success? The rule is named after the guy that chose Tomlin - doesn't that bias things a bit?

I'm all for anyone getting a shot but this rule has resulted in people being interviewed simply to comply with the rule. As such, it is a crude way to achieve the goal. Ask Dennis Green. JTrain was right on in his assessment.

 

[Ed12111]

By qualified I mean most qualified.

Tomlin is the reason it's a success? The rule is named after the guy that chose Tomlin - doesn't that bias things a bit?

I'm all for anyone getting a shot but this rule has resulted in people being interviewed simply to comply with the rule. As such, it is a crude way to achieve the goal. Ask Dennis Green. JTrain was right on in his assessment.

Put simply, it's worked. Why would anyone have a problem with it?

 

[volinbham]

Put simply, it's worked. Why would anyone have a problem with it?

You're right - everyone should see things your way.

It's been explained over and over in this thread and a simple Google search reveals similar criticism from both black and white perspectives but clearly it is an unmitigated success.

 

[BearCat204]

Put simply, it's worked. Why would anyone have a problem with it?

Wonder what your thoughts would be if an organization only interviewed African Americans for a certain position? Would you feel they should be mandated to interview a white individual before they made the hire?

 

[Ed12111]

You're right - everyone should see things your way.

It's been explained over and over in this thread and a simple Google search reveals similar criticism from both black and white perspectives but clearly it is an unmitigated success.

Pros- It's worked!!!!!!

Cons- It's a waste of time?

The 1 hour spent interviewing a potential coach doesn't seem like that big a deal to me.

 

[Ed12111]

Wonder what your thoughts would be if an organization only interviewed African Americans for a certain position? Would you feel they should be mandated to interview a white individual before they made the hire?

Do white people make up 80% of the workforce and never get promoted? Especially in an industry that is incredibly incestuous. Curious what your thought process is with that question. Do you think I hate white people, and wouldn't care if they got screwed over for 80 years?

 

[volinbham]

Pros- It's worked!!!!!!

Cons- It's a waste of time?

The 1 hour spent interviewing a potential coach doesn't seem like that big a deal to me.

I question your "it worked" claim. Other than Tomlin (who Rooney hired) what coaches were hired that wouldn't have been without the Rooney rule? How do you know the rule was the reason? How many AA coaches interviewed simply to comply with the rule? How do you think they feel knowing they are a token interview?

In the case discussed in this thread - why should Jerry Jones have to interview an AA coach when he pegged Garrett as heir-apparent years ago. The guy has been assistant head coach for years. What's the point of forcing JJ to interview an AA candidate when he already knows who he wants to hire?

It's a clumsy way to achieve the goal - a point JTrain made quite clearly.

 

[BearCat204]

Do white people make up 80% of the workforce and never get promoted? Especially in an industry that is incredibly incestuous. Curious what your thought process is with that question. Do you think I hate white people, and wouldn't care if they got screwed over for 80 years?

I think and believe that when you make hiring decisions or any other things of the same nature on the basis of race, then by definition it is racist. Giving someone a mandatory interview because they are black is just as bad as what it is "intended" to prevent.
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[NEO]

I think and believe that when you make hiring decisions or any other things of the same nature on the basis of race, then by definition it is racist. Giving someone a mandatory interview because they are black is just as bad as what it is "intended" to prevent.
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This is very true.