Jerry Jones Seeks Rooney Rule Exception

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volinbham said:
I question your "it worked" claim. Other than Tomlin (who Rooney hired) what coaches were hired that wouldn't have been without the Rooney rule? How do you know the rule was the reason? How many AA coaches interviewed simply to comply with the rule? How do you think they feel knowing they are a token interview?

In the case discussed in this thread - why should Jerry Jones have to interview an AA coach when he pegged Garrett as heir-apparent years ago. The guy has been assistant head coach for years. What's the point of forcing JJ to interview an AA candidate when he already knows who he wants to hire?

It's a clumsy way to achieve the goal - a point JTrain made quite clearly.
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I say it worked because for over 80 years there were seven minority hires. After Rooney rule there's been seven in seven years. It takes a lot of(?) to say the Rooney rule hasn't worked. If a minority coach thinks they're a token interview they don't have to go. They obviously don't think they are. JJ may already (unfortunately) have his mind made up, but it puts someone's name out there and gives the minority candidate a chance and possibly impresses JJ enough to be a potential candidate next time.
 
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Ed12111 said:
I say it worked because for over 80 years there were seven minority hires. After Rooney rule there's been seven in seven years. It takes a lot of(?) to say the Rooney rule hasn't worked. If a minority coach thinks they're a token interview they don't have to go. They obviously don't think they are. JJ may already (unfortunately) have his mind made up, but it puts someone's name out there and gives the minority candidate a chance and possibly impresses JJ enough to be a potential candidate next time.
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So everything that has happened in the last decade is because of a rule not because the world has changed?
 
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BearCat204 said:
I think and believe that when you make hiring decisions or any other things of the same nature on the basis of race, then by definition it is racist. Giving someone a mandatory interview because they are black is just as bad as what it is "intended" to prevent.
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You think forcing the owners to give one measly interview to a minority is just as bad as doing nothing about 80 years of discrimination against minority coaches?
 
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BearCat204 said:
Oh God, maybe I should reevaluate my opinion since you agree with me
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Then do that. But last I checked, I've actually hired minorities in the last decade and I don't have any Rooney rule to deal with.
 
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Ihatethebuckeyes said:
So everything that has happened in the last decade is because of a rule not because the world has changed?
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7 years. So a rule is implemented to bring about a change the change immediately starts to happen and your position is the rule change is not responsible, but the world has changed so much from 2001 to 2006.
 
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Ed12111 said:
I say it worked because for over 80 years there were seven minority hires. After Rooney rule there's been seven in seven years. It takes a lot of(?) to say the Rooney rule hasn't worked. If a minority coach thinks they're a token interview they don't have to go. They obviously don't think they are. JJ may already (unfortunately) have his mind made up, but it puts someone's name out there and gives the minority candidate a chance and possibly impresses JJ enough to be a potential candidate next time.
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why is it unfortunate if JJ made his mind up already? do you think he's discriminating by choosing Garrett?
 
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Ed12111 said:
You think forcing the owners to give one measly interview to a minority is just as bad as doing nothing about 80 years of discrimination against minority coaches?
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Do you realize that as long as there are rules concerning the highering of minorities that it will never look like the minority got the job on his own? Do you realize that it is 2010 and that we live in an era now were most people no longer hire based on skin?
 
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Ed12111 said:
7 years. So a rule is implemented to bring about a change the change immediately starts to happen and your position is the rule change is not responsible, but the world has changed so much from 2001 to 2006.
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look at the growth in AA assistants in the years prior to the Rooney rule. That has much more to do with it than the rule.
 
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Ed12111 said:
7 years. So a rule is implemented to bring about a change the change immediately starts to happen and your position is the rule change is not responsible, but the world has changed so much from 2001 to 2006.
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You think a guy who is black and middle name is Hussein would have gotten elected in 2001?
 
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volinbham said:
why is it unfortunate if JJ made his mind up already? do you think he's discriminating by choosing Garrett?
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How stupid do you have to be to hire a a man to coach a team worth over a billion dollars without interviewing anyone? Not to mention the guy you're hiring is one of the top guys on a staff that just colossally failed. It really is the perfect counter-example to anyone who believes there is a meritocracy in sports management.
 
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Ed12111 said:
How stupid do you have to be to hire a a man to coach a team worth over a billion dollars without interviewing anyone? Not to mention the guy you're hiring is one of the top guys on a staff that just colossally failed. It really is the perfect counter-example to anyone who believes there is a meritocracy in sports management.
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Has more to do with the fact was named head coach in waiting a few years ago. Forbid jj live up to his promise
 
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Ed12111 said:
How stupid do you have to be to hire a a man to coach a team worth over a billion dollars without interviewing anyone? Not to mention the guy you're hiring is one of the top guys on a staff that just colossally failed. It really is the perfect counter-example to anyone who believes there is a meritocracy in sports management.
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you know nothing of the situation at Dallas relative to JJ. He picked JG years ago and has observed him in the job. Likewise, he is aware of assistants throughout the league. Maybe he knows a bit more about it than you? Maybe he believes JG is the right man to run the program. Why force him to interview any additional candidates (AA or not)? Owners make mistakes all the time in hiring. JG has shown real potential as interim.
 
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rmsmith said:
Don't remember garret being named that huh?
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There was no "promise". Garrett was paid like a head coach to be an offensive coordinator. If you really thought Jerry Jones made a "promise" with his contracts he wouldn't have fired Wade Phillips, or cut any of his players.
 
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volinbham said:
you know nothing of the situation at Dallas relative to JJ. He picked JG years ago and has observed him in the job. Likewise, he is aware of assistants throughout the league. Maybe he knows a bit more about it than you? Maybe he believes JG is the right man to run the program. Why force him to interview any additional candidates (AA or not)? Owners make mistakes all the time in hiring. JG has shown real potential as interim.
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He doesn't know any more than me about other assistant coaches because he won't even interview them! You think JJ knows what the assistant coaches on other teams are like? What about college coaches? You give him way too much credit. Who are the big names as possible coaches this off-season? There's a reason there are so many re-tread coaches.
 
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Ed12111 said:
He doesn't know any more than me about other assistant coaches because he won't even interview them! You think JJ knows what the assistant coaches on other teams are like? What about college coaches? You give him way too much credit. Who are the big names as possible coaches this off-season? There's a reason there are so many re-tread coaches.
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awesome! :hi:
 
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Ed12111 said:
There was no "promise". Garrett was paid like a head coach to be an offensive coordinator. If you really thought Jerry Jones made a "promise" with his contracts he wouldn't have fired Wade Phillips, or cut any of his players.
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Imbicilic comment in the context of the Dallas situation.
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#49
#49
Well this rule now makes sense to me due to the revelation that Billy has informed everyone that at least 2 owners are a little racist.
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