Jets Owner: I'd rather Romney win than my own team!

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DC_Vol said:
I've heard the term, but I honestly have never been able to identify who the religious right is. I normally vote conservative, and I'm a Christian. Am I part of the religious right or moral majority? Not sure.
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If I were to try to fit the term to a specific set of individuals, I would say that the term describes those who were Democrats prior the 1973 and switched allegiances to vote to the GOP in the decades since, due to the Roe v. Wade decision. This group would also include those individuals who this initial bloc largely influences.

However, I would say that, judging from my own experience and encounters, that this "pull yourself up from your own bootstraps and stop increasing entitlements" attitude has become ingrained as an almost moral (as opposed to simply a financial) prerogative for these voters.

Either way, I think the time has come when the GOP could actually come out and say, "Right now, we do not care about legislating on abortion, homosexuality, drugs, etc.; right now, we are going to put an end to gratuitous entitlements", and not only would the GOP not lose this bloc in doing so, but they would gain plenty of voters in what are currently the battleground states.

DC_Vol said:
Anti-entitlement is probably not the best description. It's like calling those in favor of more entitlements pro bankruptcy.
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Agreed.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Agree 100 pct., though for some reason the GOP seems to like to reiterate that black celebrities endorse Obama.
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Kanye west, a black celebri- tie,( George Bush Voice) may support Romney after Obama called him a jack ass. Love him or hate em that was funny.
 
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therealUT said:
If I were to try to fit the term to a specific set of individuals, I would say that the term describes those who were Democrats prior the 1973 and switched allegiances to vote to the GOP in the decades since, due to the Roe v. Wade decision. This group would also include those individuals who this initial bloc largely influences.

However, I would say that, judging from my own experience and encounters, that this "pull yourself up from your own bootstraps and stop increasing entitlements" attitude has become ingrained as an almost moral (as opposed to simply a financial) prerogative for these voters.

Either way, I think the time has come when the GOP could actually come out and say, "Right now, we do not care about legislating on abortion, homosexuality, drugs, etc.; right now, we are going to put an end to gratuitous entitlements", and not only would the GOP not lose this bloc in doing so, but they would gain plenty of voters in what are currently the battleground states.
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Interesting categorization. I've heard the term thrown around before, but I've never stopped to think about the definition.

I couldn't agree more with the commentary on the handling of social issues.
 
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DC_Vol said:
I've heard the term, but I honestly have never been able to identify who the religious right is. I normally vote conservative, and I'm a Christian. Am I part of the religious right or moral majority? Not sure.

Anti-entitlement is probably not the best description. It's like calling those in favor of more entitlements pro bankruptcy.
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I'm a Christian as well and why I have more conservative values I have a hard time supporting the republican party. The thing that I hate as a Christian is this idea that God is republican. My aunt actually thinks ( because her church had brain washed her) that casting a vote for Romney is "standing up for God" ??? She somehow has worked up this idea that Obama is the Anti-Christ! I understand not supporting this president but really? She's is a educated woman so its kinda crazy. I wonder how much Churches still influence voting?
 
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therealUT said:
Theirs is a decision to stick with the "moral majority". The religious right is not doing them any favors in key battleground states and it seems that the key "moral issue" that the majority of individuals in the religious right have moved on to is anti-entitlement as opposed to anti-abortion.
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The conversation needs to be moved to the most important issues facing us today. I don't think the abortion issue is going to move much either way no matter who is elected so it's basically irrelevant.
 
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VOLS INC. said:
I'm a Christian as well and why I have more conservative values I have a hard time supporting the republican party. The thing that I hate as a Christian is this idea that God is republican. My aunt actually thinks ( because her church had brain washed her) that casting a vote for Romney is "standing up for God" ??? She somehow has worked up this idea that Obama is the Anti-Christ! I understand not supporting this president but really? She's is a educated woman so its kinda crazy. I wonder how much Churches still influence voting?
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I can't speak for other conservatives and their belief system. I can say that personally I think it's extremely arrogant to believe that "God is on my side" - be in politics or sports

As far as churches influencing votes, I think it's more than likely a function of where you live and what type of church it is. In Washington, DC, for example, most pastors view as part of their job pushing politics. And more often than not, it's democrat politics. This probably has a lot to do with being in Washington, DC where it's approximately 90% Dem to 10% Rep.

Baptist churches tend to be more on the conservative side. If your Presbyterian, PC USA is the more liberal split. It's been my observation that Catholic churches seem to divide down the line of politics. Seems like there are liberal Catholic churches and then conservative Catholic churches. I suppose that is because many of the issues they talk about tie directly to politics (birth control, etc?)? Not sure, that's just an observation of mine from dating Catholic girls.

Where I grew up in SC, my Baptist church was about 50% / 50% but politics was off limits. I'm sure there are plenty of churches where that is not the case (your aunt's being an obvious example).
 
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VOLS INC. said:
I'm a Christian as well and why I have more conservative values I have a hard time supporting the republican party. The thing that I hate as a Christian is this idea that God is republican. My aunt actually thinks ( because her church had brain washed her) that casting a vote for Romney is "standing up for God" ??? She somehow has worked up this idea that Obama is the Anti-Christ! I understand not supporting this president but really? She's is a educated woman so its kinda crazy. I wonder how much Churches still influence voting?
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One other note: In 2008, black churches were instrumental in turning out the vote for Obama. I don't know if they think that God is Democrat?
 
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DC_Vol said:
It's been my observation that Catholic churches seem to divide down the line of politics. Seems like there are liberal Catholic churches and then conservative Catholic churches. I suppose that is because many of the issues they talk about tie directly to politics (birth control, etc?)? Not sure, that's just an observation of mine from dating Catholic girls.
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For the most part, the Catholic Church is the voting bloc that the GOP would lose if the GOP dropped the pro-life platform (to include contraception issues). The Catholic Church has, and has had for a very long, a very strong social justice aim, which includes both belief in and teaching that those who have should give to those who need. Moreover, the Catholic Church has never been a fan of patriotism/nationalism/jingoism, has never taught that the state has anything other than artificial authority, and that law neither maps on to nor trumps morality. Basically, the only real strong hold the GOP has on the Catholic Church is the pro-life issue.
 
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VOLS INC. said:
I'm a Christian as well and why I have more conservative values I have a hard time supporting the republican party. The thing that I hate as a Christian is this idea that God is republican. My aunt actually thinks ( because her church had brain washed her) that casting a vote for Romney is "standing up for God" ??? She somehow has worked up this idea that Obama is the Anti-Christ! I understand not supporting this president but really? She's is a educated woman so its kinda crazy. I wonder how much Churches still influence voting?
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Have you read "Dreams from my Father"?
 
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therealUT said:
I have...not sure what your question is aiming at, though?
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The issues that people have with Obama are pretty much spelled out in that book.

You cannot live Obama's life and come out a capitalist, yet he pretends to be.

You cannot live Obama's life and come out a Christian, yet he pretends to be.

You cannot live Obama's life and love America, yet he pretends to.

I've learned what I've learned about him. I see the actions he's taken. I've listened to his words. It doesn't add up.
 
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To track this line of conversation, here is what I keyed in on:

VOLS INC. said:
I'm a Christian as well and why I have more conservative values I have a hard time supporting the republican party. The thing that I hate as a Christian is this idea that God is republican. My aunt actually thinks ( because her church had brain washed her) that casting a vote for Romney is "standing up for God" ??? She somehow has worked up this idea that Obama is the Anti-Christ! I understand not supporting this president but really? She's is a educated woman so its kinda crazy. I wonder how much Churches still influence voting?
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azVolFan said:
Have you read "Dreams from my Father"?
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therealUT said:
I have...not sure what your question is aiming at, though?
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azVolFan said:
The issues that people have with Obama are pretty much spelled out in that book.

You cannot live Obama's life and come out a capitalist, yet he pretends to be.

You cannot live Obama's life and come out a Christian, yet he pretends to be.

You cannot live Obama's life and love America, yet he pretends to.

I've learned what I've learned about him. I see the actions he's taken. I've listened to his words. It doesn't add up.
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1. Do you think this leads to the conclusion that God must be a Republican or that Obama is the anti-Christ?

2. Can you explain what it is in his book that cannot be reconciled with Christianity?
 
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therealUT said:
To track this line of conversation, here is what I keyed in on:









1. Do you think this leads to the conclusion that God must be a Republican or that Obama is the anti-Christ?

2. Can you explain what it is in his book that cannot be reconciled with Christianity?
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I think you need to go to a douche bag discussion forum
 
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azVolFan said:
The issues that people have with Obama are pretty much spelled out in that book.

You cannot live Obama's life and come out a capitalist, yet he pretends to be.

You cannot live Obama's life and come out a Christian, yet he pretends to be.

You cannot live Obama's life and love America, yet he pretends to.

I've learned what I've learned about him. I see the actions he's taken. I've listened to his words. It doesn't add up.
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His actions show where he stands unless you choose to ignore it and blindly vote along party lines.... That's what this election is about to me.. Getting a America hating lying tyrant out of office regardless of party affiliation.....
 
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Carl Pickens said:
I think you need to go to a douche bag discussion forum
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I think he is either king of the debate team or he has no idea where or on what he stands for... He will argue with you about it though.. He's good at that.. Likes Islam too.....
 
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Carl Pickens said:
You mean like Samuel L. Jackson and his wake the fu*¥ up add for Obama
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Racist piece of sheet.... He probably doesn't even follow what his policies are... He, like a bunch of others can't look past skin tone... They'd vote for Hugo Chavez if he was black or a hybrid like Obama...
 
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Carl Pickens said:
I think you need to go to a douche bag discussion forum
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Why the distain for TRUT?

Cartervol said:
I think he is either king of the debate team or he has no idea where or on what he stands for... He will argue with you about it though.. He's good at that.. Likes Islam too.....
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No idea what he stands for? He is easily the most consistent poster on his positions. Also probably the most misunderstood poster on VN too.
 
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Cartervol said:
I think he is either king of the debate team or he has no idea where or on what he stands for... He will argue with you about it though.. He's good at that.. Likes Islam too.....
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I do not know exactly what I stand for, but I have a pretty good idea of what I stand for.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Why the distain for TRUT?

Some people get very uncomfortable when they realize someone with a different point of view might be right.

No idea what he stands for? He is easily the most consistent poster on his positions. Also probably the most misunderstood poster on VN too.
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This. Like it or not, TRUT is consistent.
 
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A rich dude wants Romney to win... SURPRISE, SURPRISE!
 
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therealUT said:
2. Can you explain what it is in his book that cannot be reconciled with Christianity?
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I did not attempt to draw a line between my comments about Obama not really being Christian and my asking if "Dreams from my Father" had been read.

Isn't being Christian simply one of the prerequisites for being president at this time? Do you believe that Americans would elect someone who is not Christian? I believe that he "is Christian" because he wouldn't have been elected otherwise.

Believing that Obama is Christian requires that I believe his words or his actions and I don't believe his words.

What actions has Obama taken to lead you to believe that his is, indeed, Christian?
 
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