John Adams: If you believe in Lady Vols, you’re sure to be fooled

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The one thing he refers to in the article that is tough to fix IMO: faltering under pressure. Pressure comes from within - you put it on yourself, nobody else does it to you. And if any of the LV players have that kind of personality, then it can't be changed easily.
 
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LVJeff said:
The one thing he refers to in the article that is tough to fix IMO: faltering under pressure. Pressure comes from within - you put it on yourself, nobody else does it to you. And if any of the LV players have that kind of personality, then it can't be changed easily.
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The problem is, it will not change in the NCAA's. I think that the dribbling offense was a buzz kill that the team was unable to overcome. They were not as fluid, especially on offense, in their play as they were in the prior three games. They needed to stay with what had helped them start a 3 game winning streak. It was not dribbling for 29 seconds and a desperation shot. There was less dribbling and more movement that placed players in the best position to make a solid shot attempt. I think the real issue is Holly has a difficult time feeling comfortable with any offense that does not include a lot of dribbling and trying to get the ball in side. Most of the time it usually means a turnover, a bad desperation shot or the shot clock runs out. Holly is just too old school to make and keep a change, though the change may be working. This Achilles heel is Holly's fatal flaw. A flaw, if not changed, may mean the demise of the greatest women's basketball program ever created by a legend.
 
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Benionsopinion said:
Why taken aback? There were no untruths in the article. The truth can be a wake up call sometimes,though it's too late this year.
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You are right. I am used to comments like this on the board. I guess it is just different seeing it written for the public at large.
 
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Well, some may be surprised at the content of this article, I was not..... Texas A & M game was good game, but can't hang your hat on a win vs Georgia..... As one of the studio people noted, there has been virtually no improvement in the team over the course of the year..... somebody said that Ms State WANTED the game more... Ouch!!! So much could be critiqued.... and he actually left out a lot!!! And my 2 cents.... I do not think any game can be won this time of year with no multi touch possessions..... for Pete's sake, 6 assists for the entire game!!! Bad shooting percentage is largely a byproduct of the run and gun mentality.... Hope for a better game plan in tournament
 
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I don't think there is anything in the article that any reasonable person could construe as being "brutal."

This is the Worst team in the illustrious history of the Lady Vols basketball program.
 
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LasVegasBill23 said:
Well, some may be surprised at the content of this article, I was not..... Texas A & M game was good game, but can't hang your hat on a win vs Georgia..... As one of the studio people noted, there has been virtually no improvement in the team over the course of the year..... somebody said that Ms State WANTED the game more... Ouch!!! So much could be critiqued.... and he actually left out a lot!!! And my 2 cents.... I do not think any game can be won this time of year with no multi touch possessions..... for Pete's sake, 6 assists for the entire game!!! Bad shooting percentage is largely a byproduct of the run and gun mentality.... Hope for a better game plan in tournament
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Bill,it's not run and gun mentality when you dribble 25 or more seconds on each possession. Run and gun is get the ball down the floor and shoot at the first opening,which is a far better offense than dribble mania. At least you have the effort to score.
 
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Benionsopinion said:
Bill,it's not run and gun mentality when you dribble 25 or more seconds on each possession. Run and gun is get the ball down the floor and shoot at the first opening,which is a far better offense than dribble mania. At least you have the effort to score.
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You're right. Didn't see much run & gun this year. More like the old Army philosophy, 'hurry up and wait'.
 
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Benionsopinion said:
Bill,it's not run and gun mentality when you dribble 25 or more seconds on each possession. Run and gun is get the ball down the floor and shoot at the first opening,which is a far better offense than dribble mania. At least you have the effort to score.
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Forgive me, my phraseology was bad.... yes i did not mean that.... you are right.... the endless dribbling.... a stark difference from the motion offense, the weave, or any of the schemes which focus on passing and seeking the optimal shot.... thx for the correction....
 
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Adams lost me with a previous column arguing Holly deserved the chance to come back next season to try to right the ship in light of her success in the first three seasons. Rather hypocritical considering he was leading the charge to kick Fulmer out the door despite a much more impressive track record than Holly....
 
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Let's not forget the LVs played an opponent, not themselves. All the stalled half-court dribbling reflected that MSU is a good defensive team that made adjustments to what the LVs had done in the prior three games; they took away options that the LVs had been finding success with. Unfortunately, the LVs did not have a Plan B ready.

Having said that, the LVs missed more than enough FTs and makable shots to have pulled out an ugly victory; the FTs woes might have been a function of fatigue (three games in three days) but the atrocious shooting has been their MO all season; they will have one game where they shoot a decent % and folks go "what great effort; better execution, blah, blah" But it never is. Rather, it is the same turgid offensive scheme that can kind of work when the LVs get enough transition baskets and can make some outside shots. So, the LVs are not "fooling anyone"; the reality is that they are a generally poor shooting team; running an ineffective court offensive scheme but that on some nights they can find ways to score.
 
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Decker Moss said:
Yes, he can be a hack, but this article was brutal. I am not much of a HW supporter anymore, but even I was kind of taken aback by this.





John Adams: If you believe in Lady Vols, you?re sure to be fooled
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He is the hack of the century, no ifs ands or buts.

And you may be a very intelligent and thoughtful person. If you dignify Adams by starting a thread with his name, you are just pouring gas on a fire. Not saying you are an idiot, but since you did this, I will call it a natural assumption. And if you believe a single word written by John Adams is worth reading, you need T-shirts proclaiming your pride in being one.


Watch what happens. If this article results in fans calling for Holly to be fired, and she resigns, Adams will write a farewell article calling it a shame. He is a worthless ass.
 
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There's nothing in the article that's untrue but there's also certainly nothing profound in it either. This version of the Lady Vols is not a great team and we know that. What he wrote can be said about any team that's not great: they have flaws that will cause them to lose to better teams. Duh.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
I don't think there is anything in the article that any reasonable person could construe as being "brutal."

This is the Worst team in the illustrious history of the Lady Vols basketball program.
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Not one word re Holly Warlick either. It seems that none of the media wants to not touch on the Holly Warlick coaching job "gift".

This morning in the paper were two vastly different views on the game... One said, "don't be fooled by this team" the other writes of the "progress that this team is making". Neither one will reference HW or coaching staff.

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How bout that “They’re Back”song that the band-wagoneers were using as a war-cry...… Boy, the clairvoyance of that phrase is mind-boggling…They just didn't tell us what they meant... What was back was the too-frequently subbed, no confidence in coaching from the players,or, players not confident in their coach,happenings...Who is our coach again?
I don’t remember hearing about or reading about her much this morning.

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They're Back,,,HUh?.. Hope not...

We gave up 30 points to a known scorer. to the “go-to player” for that team ... we let her go off for 30…. Unacceptable. Even a MS coach would have boxed and one’d her or something. Put speedsters and expendable players on her so their fouls don’t hurt the team as much and make her life miserable for 2 hours.

We beat #2 and lose to #worse… This type of play is historically a trademark of a team in need of new leadership.

Our best recruits' (Kamera) visit was during a pathetic loss… She’s probably not thinking highly of us right now.

Did you see it, 4 maybe 5 consecutive bring downs by a guard that went about 15 dribbles deep and ended in bad shot selection,…But “play on” seemed to be the coach’s strategy. . . Hey guys,,Middleton just finished dribbling... Nope... not yet.........

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Guys. Maybe I am new to this media following stuff. But I have never seen so much commitment to protecting a coach to keep her out of the media spotlight… Even the post game of the loss, no Holly. It’s like everybody in the school and media just wants this season over and a seemingly growing number of fans, wants the “gift of a HC title to a longstanding friendship” experiment to end.

This tournament time folks... win-or-go-home basketball. and she is readily admitting that they are still building the team's chemistry. Right now, she shouldn't be teaching, she should be focused only one using the players effectively in a proven offensive scheme.

I really don’t know why HW seems to be so untouchable the Sentinel writers … The morning show with the trio and others all seem to want to blame the team and not the coach.
The “team” hasn't changed:
• It was was considered top 5 preseason.
• The team is full of All Americans
• The Coaching staff, though not a new, is rebuilding…NOT the team.


You can't blame this on Diamond, just see how hard she played this game... You have to put the blame on the staff.... Diamond is being the Diamond she CAN be in this ridiculous offense.

Coach Jumper
 
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madtownvol said:
Let's not forget the LVs played an opponent, not themselves. All the stalled half-court dribbling reflected that MSU is a good defensive that made adjustments to what the LVs had done in the prior three games; they took away options that the LVs had been finding success with. Unfortunately, the LVs did not have a Plan B ready.

Having said that, the LVs missed more than enough FTs and makeable shots to have pulled out an ugly victory; the FTs woes might have been a function of fatigue (three games in three days) but the atrocious shooting has been their MO all season; they will have one game where they shoot a decent % and folks go "what great effort; better execution, blah, blah" But is never is. Rather, it is the same turgid offensive scheme that can kind of work when the LVs get enough transition baskets and can make some outside shots. So, the LVs are not "fooling anyone"; the reality is that they are a generally poor shooting team; running an ineffective court offensive scheme but that on some nights they can find ways to score.
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Finally some sanity in an analysis of what went off the rails .The physical,in your grill defense kept the Lady Vols unnerved all nite and as you said no plan B .Holly had trouble with zone defenses all year and Miss state was a man defense and the pressure was never relieved with any motion or back door cuts.The dribbling was a by product of not being able to pass due to intense pressure on the ball.I truly thought that Holly would be able to adjust the offense to a man defense but she did not.Couple the physical man defense with the refs letting the game be played and little fouls being called down low even when players were shooting the ball led to disaster ....even when fouls were called ,we could not hit free throws....that as you indicate is a symptom of really tired legs from the 3rd game in three days.
 
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xanamanax said:
There's nothing in the article that's untrue but there's also certainly nothing profound in it either. This version of the Lady Vols is not a great team and we know that. What he wrote can be said about any team that's not great: they have flaws that will cause them to lose to better teams. Duh.
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We lost to a lot of teams that sure weren't better.
 
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Benionsopinion said:
Why taken aback? There were no untruths in the article. The truth can be a wake up call sometimes,though it's too late this year.
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I agree he just put the facts out there and for Holly supporters it is what it is. Dreadful shooting overall all season he`s 100% correct. losses to Alabama and LSU is just flat out awful. And to add all of the dribbling make it worst.
 
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alexvol said:
Finally some sanity in an analysis of what went off the rails .The physical,in your grill defense kept the Lady Vols unnerved all nite and as you said no plan B .Holly had trouble with zone defenses all year and Miss state was a man defense and the pressure was never relieved with any motion or back door cuts.The dribbling was a by product of not being able to pass due to intense pressure on the ball.I truly thought that Holly would be able to adjust the offense to a man defense but she did not.Couple the physical man defense with the refs letting the game be played and little fouls being called down low even when players were shooting the ball led to disaster ....even when fouls were called ,we could not hit free throws....that as you indicate is a symptom of really tired legs from the 3rd game in three days.
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And Bashara was in a lot of pain with her back. That had to affect her shooting, but she still got 15 rebounds (verify that, traveling and don't have stats, but I think that is right.) also Jordan was hurt (prior game with ATM), I noticed her lateral movement was affected at the very start of the game. Andaya is playing hurt too.

You are so right, 3 games in 3 days is tough. Then you hit a physical game and the refs won't call the game by the rules, you are in for a hurting. But Miss St got it back from SC. Played just as rough and were even bigger. I know some of the State girls left with marks on their bodies from where they were hacked while dribbling...and I mean hacked, no call from refs, continue play (which was usually a State turnover).

It wasn't a basketball game, some kind of new rugby maybe:). It was fun to watch them play, but I wish we (SEC/WNCAA) could get refs who were capable of calling a basketball game. That championship game crew were particularly bad. And the bald guy that "called" our last game was too.

Made no never mind though, SC was the best team at the Tourney.
 
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Smallvol#1 said:
And Bashara was in a lot of pain with her back. That had to affect her shooting, but she still got 15 rebounds (verify that, traveling and don't have stats, but I think that is right.) also Jordan was hurt (prior game with ATM), I noticed her lateral movement was affected at the very start of the game. Andaya is playing hurt too.

You are so right, 3 games in 3 days is tough. Then you hit a physical game and the refs won't call the game by the rules, you are in for a hurting. But Miss St got it back from SC. Played just as rough and were even bigger. I know some of the State girls left with marks on their bodies from where they were hacked while dribbling...and I mean hacked, no call from refs, continue play (which was usually a State turnover).

It wasn't a basketball game, some kind of new rugby maybe:). It was fun to watch them play, but I wish we (SEC/WNCAA) could get refs who were capable of calling a basketball game. That championship game crew were particularly bad. And the bald guy that "called" our last game was too.

Made no never mind though, SC was the best team at the Tourney.
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Yes, 2 for 10 shooting is very uncharacteristic of Bash. I agree that the her back injury (and rugby scrums under the rim) had a lot do to with that low %.

The stats are interesting- the LVs shot an atrocious 28% from the field but MSU was not much better @ 32%. However, MSU did hit 7 for 13 from beyond the arc (compared to the LVs 2 for 8); that is a 15 pt difference in a game lost by 10. Both teams were closing down the inside but MSU did what has to be done in such situations; make some outside shots.

All in all, I think the LVs can still make it to the Sweet 16.
 
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