John Jancek : DC

#26
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You guys kill me. Jones will not be able to get the elite players to come to Tennessee. If we can't even get an elite coach to come here, why do you think he will be able to recruit well here? He will NOT get the players and we will be right where we were before this hire in 3 years when his excuses run out...
Year 1--he inherited a mess
Year 2--got things cleaned up in the program but his players aren't in the system yet
Year 3--uh his players are in the system but we still aren't competitive.
Year 4--New coach
 
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Just as long as we can see improvement game to game and year to year. If we can see the defense building and improving, I'm ok. It was pretty obvious that Dooley's teams never improved through the year. This years defense disintegrated during the year.

If Butch feels comfortable his staff can get it done, lets see it. He is the man. I think he will be a 100% improvement over Dooley. Plus, how we'll do u think Doooley was gonna recruit after this years debacle?
 
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You really have to look at the competition level at which these coordinators have experience. For example, stopping a Big East offense is not the same as stopping an SEC offense.

Stop Big East offenses with Big East players. Stop SEC offenses with SEC players.
 
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You guys kill me. Jones will not be able to get the elite players to come to Tennessee. If we can't even get an elite coach to come here, why do you think he will be able to recruit well here? He will NOT get the players and we will be right where we were before this hire in 3 years when his excuses run out...
Year 1--he inherited a mess
Year 2--got things cleaned up in the program but his players aren't in the system yet
Year 3--uh his players are in the system but we still aren't competitive.
Year 4--New coach


So I guess you have given up already. So what team will you be pulling for over the afore mentioned 4 years
 
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You really have to look at the competition level at which these coordinators have experience. For example, stopping a Big East offense is not the same as stopping an SEC offense.

I read this over and over and it simply does not make sense. As long as you have comparable conference level athletes there is logically no difference competing in the Big East (with Big East caliber players) and competing in the SEC (with SEC level guys). Blocks, tackles, and cover twos are the same. Speed and size changes, but it changes on both teams.
 
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Maybe just wild speculation on my part but I believe he already knows how hard it is to recruit the SEC. The guy was at UGA and pulled in some top talent. He knows GA and FL and even still dipped down here while at Cincy. He also knows up north which expands us into different directions. So we're getting SEC experience AND recruiting that is in critical and new geography. Maybe this means we have more than just one or two NFL caliber players here and there on the team.
 
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You guys kill me. Jones will not be able to get the elite players to come to Tennessee. If we can't even get an elite coach to come here, why do you think he will be able to recruit well here? He will NOT get the players and we will be right where we were before this hire in 3 years when his excuses run out...
Year 1--he inherited a mess
Year 2--got things cleaned up in the program but his players aren't in the system yet
Year 3--uh his players are in the system but we still aren't competitive.
Year 4--New coach

So what you're saying is that a head coach who has had success everywhere he has went will all of a sudden suck? Your points are extremely invalid and just plain stupid. We didn't get the coach that everyone wanted, but I believe we got the right coach. Go cheer for Bama heard they need some more bandwagon fans.
 
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You guys kill me. Jones will not be able to get the elite players to come to Tennessee. If we can't even get an elite coach to come here, why do you think he will be able to recruit well here? He will NOT get the players and we will be right where we were before this hire in 3 years when his excuses run out...
Year 1--he inherited a mess
Year 2--got things cleaned up in the program but his players aren't in the system yet
Year 3--uh his players are in the system but we still aren't competitive.
Year 4--New coach

Chuck Norris just called and said to change your avatar....Chuck Norris doesn't want to be associated with chicken shi.....quitting and giving up before trying is not very Chuck Norris like so just change your avatar so Chuck Norris doesn't have to unleash his vengeance on you.
 
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You guys kill me. Jones will not be able to get the elite players to come to Tennessee. If we can't even get an elite coach to come here, why do you think he will be able to recruit well here? He will NOT get the players and we will be right where we were before this hire in 3 years when his excuses run out...
Year 1--he inherited a mess
Year 2--got things cleaned up in the program but his players aren't in the system yet
Year 3--uh his players are in the system but we still aren't competitive.
Year 4--New coach

Partner, you are welcome to your opinion, but it seems to be in the minority. Most seem to appreciate this guy's resume and are cautiously optimistic. As to recruiting, Dooley was bringing in top 20 classes, these guys will do at least that well, and that (with some reasonably competent coaching) should be good enough to take the next step to a consistent 8-9 game winner. After that we'll see.
 
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You guys kill me. Jones will not be able to get the elite players to come to Tennessee. If we can't even get an elite coach to come here, why do you think he will be able to recruit well here? He will NOT get the players and we will be right where we were before this hire in 3 years when his excuses run out...
Year 1--he inherited a mess
Year 2--got things cleaned up in the program but his players aren't in the system yet
Year 3--uh his players are in the system but we still aren't competitive.
Year 4--New coach

Ok well go away and pull for another team. We'll see you in four years.
 
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You really have to look at the competition level at which these coordinators have experience. For example, stopping a Big East offense is not the same as stopping an SEC offense.

stopping an offense with SEC caliber defensive players is a lot different than stopping an offense with Big East quality defensive players. That argument cuts both ways.
 
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You guys kill me. Jones will not be able to get the elite players to come to Tennessee. If we can't even get an elite coach to come here, why do you think he will be able to recruit well here? He will NOT get the players and we will be right where we were before this hire in 3 years when his excuses run out...
Year 1--he inherited a mess
Year 2--got things cleaned up in the program but his players aren't in the system yet
Year 3--uh his players are in the system but we still aren't competitive.
Year 4--New coach

We kill you? Making me laugh today. Been following football in detail for 22 years. Played for 12 years.

1. Gruden will never come here..I will not count him as a denial.
2. Fisher---is already at an elite program
3. Gundy---he is at his alma mater
4. Stoops---is already at an elite program
5. Strong---was a denial.......but his character is why he stayed at Louisville. Not because we are Tennessee.

Butch Jones has won at all levels. His staff and him work together. You can not compare what he recruited at Cincy to what he will recruit at UT. We will get a few better players just because we are 1. UT and 2. in the SEC. His schemes seem to work every where he goes.
And.............
You are mistaking that he will recruit apples to play with oranges. He will now get oranges to compete with oranges. It it will get even easier with success. I like this hire even more when I research what he is bringing in. I think bringing in TEE will help unite a divided fan base. But I think the fan base is tilting at 70/30 now instead of 60/40. Go Big ORange!
 
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You guys kill me. Jones will not be able to get the elite players to come to Tennessee. If we can't even get an elite coach to come here, why do you think he will be able to recruit well here? He will NOT get the players and we will be right where we were before this hire in 3 years when his excuses run out...
Year 1--he inherited a mess
Year 2--got things cleaned up in the program but his players aren't in the system yet
Year 3--uh his players are in the system but we still aren't competitive.
Year 4--New coach

I don't understand why you say this like it's gospel. Wait and see, then judge. He may surprise us and recruit just fine.
 
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Just a gut feeling, but; I have a thought that if CBJ and the speculated final staff he ends up with would likely have taken this year's VOL team to an 8-4 or 9-3 season. The difference would have been in the coaching, not the players.
 
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Perspective... Put two nascar drivers in their cars and let them race. You can't put one in a geo metro and then compare the outcome. I understand our d players as a whole need a lot of upgrades to be on par with the better sec teams so maybe with some key recruits he will be driving a big boy car within his second year. I hope my analogy makes a little sense. :)
 
#46
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You guys kill me. Jones will not be able to get the elite players to come to Tennessee. If we can't even get an elite coach to come here, why do you think he will be able to recruit well here? He will NOT get the players and we will be right where we were before this hire in 3 years when his excuses run out...
Year 1--he inherited a mess
Year 2--got things cleaned up in the program but his players aren't in the system yet
Year 3--uh his players are in the system but we still aren't competitive.
Year 4--New coach

I guess there was no need to continue this thread after this post! The all-knowing has seen into the future .
 
#47
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So I am assuming that he has been hired. Or is this just speculation?


Either way, give the man a chance to prove himself. This is a lot better than retaining Big Sal...
 
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You really have to look at the competition level at which these coordinators have experience. For example, stopping a Big East offense is not the same as stopping an SEC offense.
Big differance in the talent level at Tennessee and Cincy. His principles worked in the Big East. He'll have better talent at Tennessee to apply his principles. Lets hope he brings folks that can recruit.
 
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Big differance in the talent level at Tennessee and Cincy. His principles worked in the Big East. He'll have better talent at Tennessee to apply his principles. Lets hope he brings folks that can recruit.

I was hoping so bad for that to work again Urban Meyer when he can from Utah to Florida ... Urban Meyer failing at Florida sound so logical and reasonable at the time.
 

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