Johnny Manziel and the NFL

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Does anyone else think it's insane that Manziel is being considered a legit prospect at QB in the NFL? I mean, that backyard football scramble gig usually works for about a week into summer camps in the NFL, and his arm strength is average at best. If he throws a deep out at full velocity in the NFL, it will get picked 9 times out of 10. I just don't get it how these scouts and talking heads get enamored with college level productive highlight reel players that have very few actual NFL skills or measurables.

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leader of the top 2 offenses in sec history... hes doing something right.
 
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I'll give you that his scrambling ability will be much more limited in the NFL - however, you can't deny the arm he has. He made some incredible throws last night.

I don't like him because he's a cocky punk - but you can't deny the talent or success that he's had.
 
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Tebow 2.0 BUT, I think if he went to a team that has a free-wheeling offense philosophy, he just might be uncanny. Michael Vick was sort of like Johnny. Matter of fact, he might fit right into Chip Kelly's team approach. He's slippery, his mechanics are as bad as Tebow's but the son of a gun also seems to have a touch for getting the ball to his receivers.

I think his TAMU coach gives him a lot of leeway and Johnny has his WRs sort of scramble as well. I think he has a system worked out where when things break down, receivers are to scoot to specific areas on the field. No other way I can explain how he throws the ball at times with a Hail Mary pass and they come up with the ball after all that running around. I also think he has a guy on seeing him running around sort sneakily isolates himself and gets forgotten as secondary defenders move up to prevent the threat of John Boy gobbling up 15-20 yards with a run. That's why you see periodically a TD where a WR, TE, or RB is all alone in an area of the end zone.

NFL teams are much more structured and don't and won't play this way. But the Eagles might be the closest thing to doing so. Ok, maybe the Redskins too but less so than the birdmen of Philadelphia. Another possible team that would be a fit is Newton's Carolina cat men.
 
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jps2194 said:
I'll give you that his scrambling ability will be much more limited in the NFL - however, you can't deny the arm he has. He made some incredible throws last night.

I don't like him because he's a cocky punk - but you can't deny the talent or success that he's had.
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He throws rainbows on any pass over 15 yards imo.
 
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005 said:
It's hard to describe how much better of a passer he is than Tim Tebow.
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no, it's not. He's infinitely better than Tebow. He has great arm strength and he's very accurate for such a mobile qb. He's nowhere close to Tebow 2.0.

What doesn't get mentioned is how good Manziel is at reading coverage and finding where it breaks down. He has a legit shot if he can avoid taking the big hits a la RGIII.
 
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He reminds me very much of a former NFL MVP and 3 time Super Bowl qb Fran Tarkenton. Same size, same scrambling ability, and same determination and grit.
 
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Chudzinski is gonna be an OC somewhere... he could work with Manziel. Amongst other coaches. Dude acted like a clown all offseason but i have a feeling he'll come to work. He gives a ****, just got a little carried away in a really publicized time.
 
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volfanbill said:
That's called a fade pass. Casey had that in his arsenal too. He doesn't just "rainbow" it, he lofts it up there to get over defenders. He can also throw strikes.
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I've been watching football long enough to know when a throw is meant to go over a defender to a receiver. What I am talking about are throws to the sideline beyond 10 yards. His first touchdown last night would have absolutely been a pic 6 in the NFL.
 
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volfanbill said:
no, it's not. He's infinitely better than Tebow. He has great arm strength and he's very accurate for such a mobile qb. He's nowhere close to Tebow 2.0.

What doesn't get mentioned is how good Manziel is at reading coverage and finding where it breaks down. He has a legit shot if he can avoid taking the big hits a la RGIII.
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The Tebow comparison is flat out lazy. The two just aren't even close to similar. I don't know where the assumption comes from that he's loopy armed. The ball comes out of his hand great and he drives it into receivers all the time. He's a lot closer to Vick, Newton or RGIII.

His issue is going to be, like you said, safety and how willing he is to work within an offense.
 
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Side note: that kid from Duke has a laser arm. My jaw dropped at a couple of the throws he pulled off
 
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005 said:
It's hard to describe how much better of a passer he is than Tim Tebow.
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Completely agree. Stronger, much more accurate thrower with much better touch. His mechanics, as are most QB's, are light years ahead of Tebow's
 
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fade route said:
I've been watching football long enough to know when a throw is meant to go over a defender to a receiver. What I am talking about are throws to the sideline beyond 10 yards. His first touchdown last night would have absolutely been a pic 6 in the NFL.
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by who? There wasn't a defender in any sort of position to make a play. And Manziel knew it so he lobbed it in there to the outside shoulder of Labhart so it was a slam dunk completion. Quarterbacks are applauded for those passes.
 
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Romo could be a decent comparison... just obviously faster. He has a super strong arm. Trying to think of a comp.
 
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I think Manziel will be successful in the NFL. Kid has a good arm and the threat he poses with his legs is enormous. He'll need to learn to slide and take what the defense gives him at the next level, though, because he forces things way too much.
 
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There's no denying what he did as a college QB. But NFL ditches are littered with "this guy will be a stud" former college QB's. Bottom line: no one can say for sure. Time will tell.

In the right offense, he might be a winner. In the wrong one (for his skill set), he's a clipboard commando.

His size concerns me. He might have a very short shelf life against NFL defenses, where the linebackers and safeties are just as fast as him, and bigger. Again, time will tell.

It will be interesting to see if Johnny Football can hang with the big boys.
 
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Surprised so many disagree with my op, but I've been wrong before so maybe I'm wrong here too on Manziel. We shall see, huh?
 
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