Jon Harper?

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Rickster said:
31 points, 22 rebounds, 11 blocks, 5 assists and a steal is a pretty dog gone good game from the posts.
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It was certainly a lot better than the 7 points (3-9 shooting), 13 rebounds, 3 blocks, and 3 assists they combined for in the previous game, but nothing like a little recency bias and living in the moment of a career performance right?

Early in the season post play was a weakness. Now it's a strength. Have to give credit where it's due, to the players and to Mr. Jolly. I'm not quite ready to anoint him the post whisperer just yet, but I hope he keeps proving me wrong and you guys keep letting me hear about it...
 
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Darth_Vol said:
I hope he keeps proving me wrong and you guys keep letting me hear about it...
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I'm sure there will always be someone to point out Coach Harpers success. I doubt you will miss any of it.

Just out of curiosity, what will it take for you? An SEC Championship, an NCAA Championship, five of them?????

I've been on this board a long time and have read pretty much all your posts. None are narcissistic that I can tell. I also am sure you are smarter than the average bear and that you are NOT a few French fries short of a Happy Meal so what put you in this frame of mind?

One other thing, I had you on ignore for a short while and you never disparaged my character during that time. That tells me you are not a back-stabbing coward because it's cowards who put the mouth on people when they can't defend themselves. Kinda like sneaking up behind an innocent bystander and sticking a knife in their back. Really despicable when cowards act like cowards so I'm glad you are not like that.
 
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mudcat1973 said:
key is getter better is john al brown do not know. but john harper is doing his job. if taken kellie a year to get the team to play together john need time to teach the bigs. all hollie handwork.
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Is it your spelling or i`m not understanding what are you trying to say ?
 
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Darth_Vol said:
Well played.

Remember that time you said Holly could coach?
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I do. And I stand by my claim that her first 3 years were solid ones. In particular, she did a great job in her first year with Izzy Harrison being lost for the year due to an ACL and still making the elite 8.

Coaching is multi-faceted. Holly was a GREAT recruiter. She was pretty good at coaching an up tempo offensive style. She was not so great at creating a workable half court game. And her ultimate demise was she could not hold a team accountable. As she moved further away from the disciplinary legacy of Pat (and no longer had players who had internalized that system), that is when the wheels came off.

But, place Holly in context. A legend coach had just had to step down due to a tragic illness and as everyone says, following a legend is a tough job. And Summitt's circumstances made it doubly difficult. So yes, I am willing to give Holly credit for keeping the ship afloat and winning multiple SEC titles and making the elite 8 three times (which had become the program norm in the later years of CPS).

When the program started to decline in year 4, my only point about Holly was that she was not going to be fired immediately (which everyone wanted) after having 3 very successful seasons and bringing in a highly coveted recruiting class. I insisted that sacking Holly without giving her shot with her new stars would have generated horrible press and made any replacement candidate have doubts about stepping into the role. [Even after all the transfers, Kellie's team is still mainly built around Holly recruits.]

During Holly's year 5, though, I was 100% on the "we need a coaching change" train.

But, yes you Darth get all the "gloat points" for being anti-Holly from the first second she was announced. She was not the long term solution.

And you will probably be right on Harper. She may win several SEC titles and maybe even a national championship or two but at some point in the future, ten or fifteen years out maybe, it is likely that her record will start decline and there will be a need for new coaching blood.

And at that point, if you are still living, you can again gloat that "see, I told you so, [eventually] Harper was not right for the job!" YIppeee, it only took 15 years to be proven "right".

Personally, I find that a weird thing to live for but who am I to judge? Whatever floats your starfighter.
 
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djtee said:
Is it your spelling or i`m not understanding what are you trying to say ?
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tennessee won under al brown he work with the bigs john is getting the bigs better al brown was on pat summiit staff when they were wining titles 97 98 . pat won because she could coach and hire good ast coaches. kellie can coach better and her staff are better. than hollie and her staff.
 
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Darth_Vol said:
It was certainly a lot better than the 7 points (3-9 shooting), 13 rebounds, 3 blocks, and 3 assists they combined for in the previous game, but nothing like a little recency bias and living in the moment of a career performance right?

Early in the season post play was a weakness. Now it's a strength. Have to give credit where it's due, to the players and to Mr. Jolly. I'm not quite ready to anoint him the post whisperer just yet, but I hope he keeps proving me wrong and you guys keep letting me hear about it...
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So I guess calling Jon Harper Mr. Jolly is supposed the be some sort of insult to his manhood? If you think that you really don’t have a clue about what a real man is. Grow up.
 
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mudcat1973 said:
tennessee won under al brown he work with the bigs john is getting the bigs better al brown was on pat summiit staff when they were wining titles 97 98 . pat won because she could coach and hire good ast coaches. kellie can coach better and her staff are better. than hollie and her staff.
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Ok my bad i get it, Brown did work with the the post players and you are 100% correct Holly was not a good coach. I remember 6-5 Ashley Robinson on the 2000 roster as a freshmen not sure who was the post player coach. But they did an outstanding job working with her she started as a freshman. She was like Key limited on offense but outstanding on the defense.
 
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Darth_Vol said:
I appreciate your support, but don't stop now! Tell us more about this great recruit Kellie has all wrapped up!

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nice headshot,,,next time try a horizontal smile
 
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djtee said:
Ok my bad i get it, Brown did work with the the post players and you are 100% correct Holly was not a good coach. I remember 6-5 Ashley Robinson on the 2000 roster as a freshmen not sure who was the post player coach. But they did an outstanding job working with her she started as a freshman. She was like Key limited on offense but outstanding on the defense.
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Key's limitations on offense are being sought out and smothered...she just needs more touches.
 
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Rickster said:
I'm sure there will always be someone to point out Coach Harpers success. I doubt you will miss any of it.

Just out of curiosity, what will it take for you? An SEC Championship, an NCAA Championship, five of them?????
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Are we talking about Mr. or Mrs.? I've actually warmed up to Kellie recently. People conveniently forget (or ignore) I gave her tons of credit after the wins over Arkansas and Kentucky. I didn't even give her crap after the Ole Miss game, unless you were one of the ones who took my comment about her trying to kill Marta seriously. :rolleyes: No team brings their A game every night, I get that. What amused me was fans trying to rationalize Ole Miss as some kind of sleeping juggernaut. No, just because they played Tennessee close doesn't mean they (and Florida for that matter) aren't turds.

Rickster said:
I've been on this board a long time and have read pretty much all your posts. None are narcissistic that I can tell. I also am sure you are smarter than the average bear and that you are NOT a few French fries short of a Happy Meal so what put you in this frame of mind?
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Pretty much everything about the last 12 years of Tennessee athletics.

Rickster said:
One other thing, I had you on ignore for a short while and you never disparaged my character during that time. That tells me you are not a back-stabbing coward because it's cowards who put the mouth on people when they can't defend themselves. Kinda like sneaking up behind an innocent bystander and sticking a knife in their back. Really despicable when cowards act like cowards so I'm glad you are not like that.
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We seldom agree but I always respect your opinion. I've always encouraged anyone who doesn't like to read me to put me on ignore. I've done it with some of my fans who constantly @ me to whine (I'm sure there are plenty of them in this thread :D), while it sometimes causes me to get lost in conversations I've never looked back...
 
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madtownvol said:
I do. And I stand by my claim that her first 3 years were solid ones. In particular, she did a great job in her first year with Izzy Harrison being lost for the year due to an ACL and still making the elite 8.
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Good lord, I really wasn't fishing for a detailed recap. I should have known you would prepare your finest essay, and predictably, editing your masterpiece hours after the fact.

Unless one has a completely rigid mindset, opinions are subject to change as new data is presented and processed. My point was it's easy to see now that Holly was in completely over her head, but that doesn't change the fact that she had some relatively decent seasons early on (as you pointed out). I may have misjudged Jon. That doesn't change the fact that the post game woefully underperformed earlier in the season...
 
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Darth_Vol said:
Good lord, I really wasn't fishing for a detailed recap. I should have known you would prepare your finest essay, and predictably, editing your masterpiece hours after the fact.

Unless one has a completely rigid mindset, opinions are subject to change as new data is presented and processed. My point was it's easy to see now that Holly was in completely over her head, but that doesn't change the fact that she had some relatively decent seasons early on (as you pointed out). I may have misjudged Jon. That doesn't change the fact that the post game woefully underperformed earlier in the season...
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Glad you are a fan.
 
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