Jonathan Sanchez

#27
#27
UTLCA said:
Bud Smith disagrees with you. 9/3/01 for the Cards.
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Speaking of him, probably not too many pitchers with a no-hitter on their resume with a shorter big league career than Smith. He only pitched in parts of two seasons in the majors, 2001 and 2002.
 
#29
#29
volfanbill said:
$1.34

I can make a ball move. The fact that I can't hit anywhere near the strike zone is why the junk I throw isn't "good stuff".
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You missed the part where I said "necessarily." If you had as much control as Sanchez, you may be considered having "good stuff." :)
 
#30
#30
orangetanker11 said:
You missed the part where I said "necessarily." If you had as much control as Sanchez, you may be considered having "good stuff." :)
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no, that's entirely the point. His stats show that he obviously doesn't have great control on the majority of nights. He's an average MLB pitcher at best who was on it for one night.
 
#31
#31
volfanbill said:
no, that's entirely the point. His stats show that he obviously doesn't have great control on the majority of nights. He's an average MLB pitcher at best who was on it for one night.
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No one is saying he is the next coming of Sandy Koufax or anything. My point is that someone can have great "stuff," as far as a mid-90's fastball, good break on a curve, a biting slider, etc., and not have the control of Greg Maddux. Good stuff does't equal control 100% of the time. In your example, you could be considered having good stuff if you could throw strikes. In my case, when I pitched, I threw an 82 mph fastball and a changeup, and could put the ball wherever I wanted. I had great control, but not "good stuff."
 
#32
#32
orangetanker11 said:
No one is saying he is the next coming of Sandy Koufax or anything. My point is that someone can have great "stuff," as far as a mid-90's fastball, good break on a curve, a biting slider, etc., and not have the control of Greg Maddux. Good stuff does't equal control 100% of the time. In your example, you could be considered having good stuff if you could throw strikes. In my case, when I pitched, I threw an 82 mph fastball and a changeup, and could put the ball wherever I wanted. I had great control, but not "good stuff."
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No. If your strikes are being hit solidly and you are missing the strike zone as often as he is you do not have good stuff just because you have good movement. It's a combination of the two.
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#33
#33
volfanbill said:
No. If your strikes are being hit solidly and you are missing the strike zone as often as he is you do not have good stuff just because you have good movement. It's a combination of the two.
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"Good stuff is usually defined by what action his pitches take. Some examples of good stuff are late movement on the fastball or life; sharpness on the breaking pitch; and deception on the change up to name a few. If you can find a kid with stuff, and a chance of command, you have yourself a possible prospect."

--Rob Smith
Pitching Coach, Creighton University

To be a successful pitcher in this league, I agree with you that you need to have a combination of both stuff and location. But it is possible to have good stuff and need work with control.
 
#35
#35
orangetanker11 said:
"Good stuff is usually defined by what action his pitches take. Some examples of good stuff are late movement on the fastball or life; sharpness on the breaking pitch; and deception on the change up to name a few. If you can find a kid with stuff, and a chance of command, you have yourself a possible prospect."

--Rob Smith
Pitching Coach, Creighton University

To be a successful pitcher in this league, I agree with you that you need to have a combination of both stuff and location. But it is possible to have good stuff and need work with control.
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I tend to agree.
 
#36
#36
Randy Johnson is a pretty good example of a guy with great stuff with less than stellar command before Nolan Ryan fixed him.
 
#38
#38
wounded mullet said:
was that before or after he hit that bird?
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Lol! Still, one of the funniest things I have seen.
 
#39
#39
wounded mullet said:
oh i see what you did there, you edited the quote to make it favorable in your argument. Thats groundbreaking stuff.
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seems like your computer's sarcasm meter was turned off. that's not my fault.

and i might be a douche, that's your opinion and you're certainly entitled to it, as misguided as it may be, but at 6'2 and 180 lbs, i'm hardly fat.
 
#40
#40
doozer said:
seems like your computer's sarcasm meter was turned off. that's not my fault.

and i might be a douche, that's your opinion and you're certainly entitled to it, as misguided as it may be, but at 6'2 and 180 lbs, i'm hardly fat.
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did you just give me your stats to prove your not fat?? lulz

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#42
#42
doozer said:
sarcasm meter still not working eh?
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yes, and when i called customer service i keep getting put on hold till im redirected to India and "Peter" tells me theres nothing he can do unless i have my receipt..

any good deals on Ebay??
 
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