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Bruce would have been stompin a hole in the floor on that call. Profanity??? If O'neal had seen that call, sailors would still be blushing. Cuonzo is more like Wade Houston, just trying not to get in trouble.
 
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At one point the announcers said during the game that Martin was all over the refs. I guess everyone in this thread missed that.
 
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3rd_and_Jancek said:
He was but that was way before Jordy's dunk.It had to do with Witchita's guards not being called for hand checking.
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So? This thread seems to think that Martin never works the refs because he doesn't care enough. The conventional wisdom here seems to be that Cuonzo doesn't care, doesn't try, doesn't coach, blah blah blah. I'm certainly not defending him, because God knows I don't think he's a good enough coach, but all this horsecrap about what his face looks like on the sidelines is just silly. It sounds like a bunch of girls who've never watched sports before.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
So? This thread seems to think that Martin never works the refs because he doesn't care enough. The conventional wisdom here seems to be that Cuonzo doesn't care, doesn't try, doesn't coach, blah blah blah. I'm certainly not defending him, because God knows I don't think he's a good enough coach, but all this horsecrap about what his face looks like on the sidelines is just silly. It sounds like a bunch of girls who've never watched sports before.
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It wasn't about him never working the refs , it was about him not defending his player when a BS call was made against Jordy. Most coaches would have erupted.
 
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3rd_and_Jancek said:
It wasn't about him never working the refs , it was about him not defending his player when a BS call was made against Jordy. Most coaches would have erupted.
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All right, let's say he goes Full Bobby Knight and gets another technical on top of the technical. That's two more points the Vols are down. But what does it accomplish going forward? You're hoping the next time a Vol screamed a profanity after throwing down a thunderous dunk, he might not get a T?

Working the refs for the ongoing stuff makes a lot of sense. Yelling at the refs and getting needlessly teed up over one-off stuff like that dunk is pointless. They're not taking the technical away. It was a close game against a top 10 team on the road, so surely motivation shouldn't have been an issue. I don't understand the point of "erupting" there. It would have been stupid to add another technical on top of it.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
All right, let's say he goes Full Bobby Knight and gets another technical on top of the technical. That's two more points the Vols are down. But what does it accomplish going forward? You're hoping the next time a Vol screamed a profanity after throwing down a thunderous dunk, he might not get a T?

Working the refs for the ongoing stuff makes a lot of sense. Yelling at the refs and getting needlessly teed up over one-off stuff like that dunk is pointless. They're not taking the technical away. It was a close game against a top 10 team on the road, so surely motivation shouldn't have been an issue. I don't understand the point of "erupting" there. It would have been stupid to add another technical on top of it.
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You just mentioned motivation.This team appears to lack motivation at times.The lack of energy radiates from that corpse of a coach.To my original point, I'm not saying he should've gone full retard on the official but he could've at least gotten in front of of him and gotten an explanation.
 
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3rd_and_Jancek said:
You just mentioned motivation.This team appears to lack motivation at times.The lack of energy radiates from that corpse of a coach.To my original point, I'm not saying he should've gone full retard on the official but he could've at least gotten in front of of him and gotten an explanation.
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I could probably name two dozen hall of fame coaches in various sports with stoic demeanors, men who project no energy at all during the game on the sideline, who barely seem to care whether they win or not. There's a crapton of legitimate stuff to criticize Martin about. How angry he appears to get while the camera happens to be pointed at him isn't part of it.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
All right, let's say he goes Full Bobby Knight and gets another technical on top of the technical. That's two more points the Vols are down. But what does it accomplish going forward? You're hoping the next time a Vol screamed a profanity after throwing down a thunderous dunk, he might not get a T?

Working the refs for the ongoing stuff makes a lot of sense. Yelling at the refs and getting needlessly teed up over one-off stuff like that dunk is pointless. They're not taking the technical away. It was a close game against a top 10 team on the road, so surely motivation shouldn't have been an issue. I don't understand the point of "erupting" there. It would have been stupid to add another technical on top of it.
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I'll guarantee that most coaches would be up in the ref's ass over that pathetic call. If you don't fight for your team then the refs usually will walk all over you. Martin has never received a technical ever. Sometimes you need one to help change the game. A lot of times a T will turn the calls in your favor. Martin sat on his ass and did nothing like he usually does.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
I'll guarantee that most coaches would be up in the ref's ass over that pathetic call. If you don't fight for your team then the refs usually will walk all over you. Martin has never received a technical ever. Sometimes you need one to help change the game. A lot of times a T will turn the calls in your favor. Martin sat on his ass and did nothing like he usually does.
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Again, the announcers said earlier that Martin was all over the refs. So apparently he was picking what he thought were meaningful, winnable battles. I'm no fan of Martin's, but I just can't get worked up that he didn't martyr himself over a one-off call, particularly when I have no idea what McRae yelled.

Y'all don't like Martin's facial expressions. Y'all think he needs to yell a lot more. Y'all think he needs to jump around more. I get it; that's what my wife thinks too. I just happen to think he's failing in the far more important areas of practice and gameplanning. I don't give a crap what he looks like on the sideline during a game.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Again, the announcers said earlier that Martin was all over the refs. So apparently he was picking what he thought were meaningful, winnable battles. I'm no fan of Martin's, but I just can't get worked up that he didn't martyr himself over a one-off call, particularly when I have no idea what McRae yelled.

Y'all don't like Martin's facial expressions. Y'all think he needs to yell a lot more. Y'all think he needs to jump around more. I get it; that's what my wife thinks too. I just happen to think he's failing in the far more important areas of practice and gameplanning. I don't give a crap what he looks like on the sideline during a game.
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f. the announcers, did u watch the game, u see martin do anything to the refs?..no he did not, he did get up and act like a coach most of the game, but in the last 4 minutes of the game he did nothing. if u disagree then u watched another game then.
 
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McRae was trying to fire up the team and I liked the emotional outburst but it did not deserve a technical because technicals are basically 2 players battling one another or a coach working the referees for better calls.
 
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nagle said:
f. the announcers, did u watch the game, u see martin do anything to the refs?..no he did not, he did get up and act like a coach most of the game, but in the last 4 minutes of the game he did nothing. if u disagree then u watched another game then.
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If you want to use that argument, then we all know you have absolutely no idea what Martin was or wasn't doing on the sideline. Show me the proof that he wasn't doing anything.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Again, the announcers said earlier that Martin was all over the refs. So apparently he was picking what he thought were meaningful, winnable battles. I'm no fan of Martin's, but I just can't get worked up that he didn't martyr himself over a one-off call, particularly when I have no idea what McRae yelled.

Y'all don't like Martin's facial expressions. Y'all think he needs to yell a lot more. Y'all think he needs to jump around more. I get it; that's what my wife thinks too. I just happen to think he's failing in the far more important areas of practice and gameplanning. I don't give a crap what he looks like on the sideline during a game.
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I don't usually care for or critique Martin's sideline demeanor so don't lump me in with the "y'all" crowd. However, he should've been irate over that call yesterday. I could give two sh*ts if we would've gotten 2-3 techs in a row. We lost the damn game by 9 anyway.

You comparing him to other coaches with calm sideline demeanor would mean something if Martin was anywhere in their class. However, he's not. He's an average X's and O's coach at best so maybe he needs to try to do something else like motivate his team because he isn't going to out gameplan anyone.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
I don't usually care for or critique Martin's sideline demeanor so don't lump me in with the "y'all" crowd. However, he should've been irate over that call yesterday. I could give two sh*ts if we would've gotten 2-3 techs in a row. We lost the damn game by 9 anyway.

You comparing him to other coaches with calm sideline demeanor would mean something if Martin was anywhere in their class. However, he's not. He's an average X's and O's coach at best so maybe he needs to try to do something else like motivate his team because he isn't going to out gameplan anyone.
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This will date me but I was a student during the Ray Mears days. He would have absolutely worn out the officials which probably would have fired up the team even more and might have been the catalyst to receive a couple of calls in our favor which we of course did not get. I watched him actually go onto the floor in one game to get the attention. He of course got the T but we went on a run and won the game. If you are a coach of Martin's ability you better motivate because you sure are not going to out coach anyone. To make all this worse we had the opportunity to hire Gregg Marshall twice and did not.
 
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It's pretty simple... you drop the f-bomb so the crowd can hear it right in font of a ref you get T'd up. What am I missing here?
 
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105437 said:
It's pretty simple... you drop the f-bomb so the crowd can hear it right in font of a ref you get T'd up. What am I missing here?
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If techs were given out for every F bomb dropped there wouldn't be many coaches or players left. The ref is an egomaniac like most of them. These are grown ass men out there. They need to get over it. Hell, Kevin O'Neill cussed like a sailor. If he would've been given a tech for every F bomb he said then he never would've made it past the first media timeout.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
If techs were given out for every F bomb dropped there wouldn't be many coaches or players left. The ref is an egomaniac like most of them. These are grown ass men out there. They need to get over it. Hell, Kevin O'Neill cussed like a sailor. If he would've been given a tech for every F bomb he said then he never would've made it past the first media timeout.
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Exactly. How many times did Marshall Henderson get T'd up in Knoxville last year for dropping the F-bomb and flipping off the crowd?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Cuonzo has said repeatedly that he doesn't believe that getting on the officials accomplishes anything.
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Yelling and screaming at the officials will accomplish one thing, it will anger them. But, you can discuss the call with them as to get a better understanding of what they saw or heard. As long as it is done professionally it will show your players that you are on their side. Standing there looking clueless is the worst thing a coach can do for his team, IMHO.
 
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sport3500 said:
McRae was trying to fire up the team and I liked the emotional outburst but it did not deserve a technical because technicals are basically 2 players battling one another or a coach working the referees for better calls.
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If that's all that he did, and he didn't use profanity then that was a pathetic call by the official.
 
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