Josh Heupel listed as 4th best SEC coach in new article

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Would the teams coached by the 3 ahead of CJH perform better, worse, or the same if CJH was their head coach?

Would our team last year performed better, worse, or same if any of the other 3 coached the '22 Vols?

I think Saban and Smart out talent. Not sure they are better as game day scheme guys. Talent and recruiting are part of the head coach gig, so I understand we cannot remove that factor from discussion.

I think Kelly maybe had a more impressive season when looking at where LsU started compared to how they ended.
 
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GTFO! Heupel owned Kelly's azz last year and BK has not done one damn thing since then to convince me differently. LSU is so overhyped right now, and they are gonna get shredded, starting with FSU game. LSU's current OL, RBs, CBs? Gimme a break.
 
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orangebloodgmc said:
GTFO! Heupel owned Kelly's azz last year and BK has not done one damn thing since then to convince me differently. LSU is so overhyped right now, and they are gonna get shredded, starting with FSU game. LSU's current OL, RBs, CBs? Gimme a break.
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FSU might be a bigger pile of trash than LSU is.
 
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LouderVol said:
Smart
Saban
Kelly
Heupel

Jimbo down at #9
Freeze #11 is surprising. I don't see how he could be behind Napier @ #10.
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Not really considering Freeze hasn’t proved anything yet in the SEC without blatantly cheating.
 
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McDad said:
Would the teams coached by the 3 ahead of CJH perform better, worse, or the same if CJH was their head coach?

Would our team last year performed better, worse, or same if any of the other 3 coached the '22 Vols?

I think Saban and Smart out talent. Not sure they are better as game day scheme guys. Talent and recruiting are part of the head coach gig, so I understand we cannot remove that factor from discussion.

I think Kelly maybe had a more impressive season when looking at where LsU started compared to how they ended.
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Seemed like Kirby devised a pretty damn good plan to put the brakes on our offense last year.

Has elite takent as well.
 
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McDad said:
Would the teams coached by the 3 ahead of CJH perform better, worse, or the same if CJH was their head coach?

Would our team last year performed better, worse, or same if any of the other 3 coached the '22 Vols?

I think Saban and Smart out talent. Not sure they are better as game day scheme guys. Talent and recruiting are part of the head coach gig, so I understand we cannot remove that factor from discussion.

I think Kelly maybe had a more impressive season when looking at where LsU started compared to how they ended.
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Saban and Smart are two of the greatest defensive minds in football history. There might be some signs that Saban is starting to slip some with age, which happens to all coaches at some point, but there is 0 question about his scheming ability in his prime, nor Kirby's now.
 
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Titans4Vols said:
Saban and Smart are two of the greatest defensive minds in football history. There might be some signs that Saban is starting to slip some with age, which happens to all coaches at some point, but there is 0 question about his scheming ability in his prime, nor Kirby's now.
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What schemes does Kirby run now and Saban ran in his prime which are novel, unique, and revolutionary?
 
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OrangeTsar said:
It’s a fair list. Inter thought experiment though…give any of the three coaches above him the roster he inherited when he got here and his first recruiting class. How would the on field results look?
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Maybe not the disaster UT was, but it's hard to discredit what Saban did in his early days at Bama....hard to out-talent everyone with sophomores 6-6 year before he got there

7-6 year 1
12-2 year 2
14-0 year 3

don't get me wrong, I love JH. I'm just saying Nick didn't walk into a ready made situation either.
 
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MurphyVol said:
Maybe not the disaster UT was, but it's hard to discredit what Saban did in his early days at Bama....hard to out-talent everyone with sophomores 6-6 year before he got there

7-6 year 1
12-2 year 2
14-0 year 3

don't get me wrong, I love JH. I'm just saying Nick didn't walk into a ready made situation either.
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Saban still walked into a much better situation than Heupel though. The well financed talent pipeline was already functioning optimally and there was no NCAA investigation hanging over the program
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Saban still walked into a much better situation than Heupel though. The well financed talent pipeline was already functioning optimally and there was no NCAA investigation hanging over the program
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It'd be hard to convince me that Saban came into a great (or even a good) situation.

Rumors are that boosters/power brokers rushed Stallings out the door after having the unacceptable back to back 3 loss seasons

Enter Franchione.....
one middling 7-5 season
followed by a 10-3 season in which they were not eligible for post season play
Fran bolts for another job

Enter Mike Price in 2003.....never coaches a game

enter Mike Shula in 2003----
3-8 in season 1
6-6 year 2
10-2 has one really good season
6-7 and is shown the door in 2007

my memory is fuzzy but along the way it seems like there were multiple NCAA investigations, Fulmer telling recruits Bama was getting the death penalty, post season bans and a bunch of vacated wins.

Feels kind of eerily similar to me
 
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McDad said:
What schemes does Kirby run now and Saban ran in his prime which are novel, unique, and revolutionary?
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The "base" of their defense is Saban's cover 7, which has been in use by him since his Michigan State days, but obviously adjustments have been made over time by both him and Smart to combat the modern shift to spread offenses that's occurred over the past 10-15 years. Here's a video from Smart himself on the(what he calls) mint front changes, and the 2nd video is a instructional video from former Alabama DB coach Karl Scott that gets in to some of the more modern applications of Cover 7 overall, and the 3rd video is from Saban's time at MSU explaining cover 7.







Here's an excellent article from Football Advantage that goes over the basics as well: https://footballadvantage.com/cover-7/
 
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Titans4Vols said:
The "base" of their defense is Saban's cover 7, which has been in use by him since his Michigan State days, but obviously adjustments have been made over time by both him and Smart to combat the modern shift to spread offenses that's occurred over the past 10-15 years. Here's a video from Smart himself on the(what he calls) mint front changes, and the 2nd video is a instructional video from former Alabama DB coach Karl Scott that gets in to some of the more modern applications of Cover 7 overall, and the 3rd video is from Saban's time at MSU explaining cover 7.







Here's an excellent article from Football Advantage that goes over the basics as well: https://footballadvantage.com/cover-7/
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I appreciate the links. I don't have the time or inclination to digest the nuances of defense.

In your learned opinion, do you find cover 7 by Smart and Saban, or the modifications they've made, to be groundbreaking?
 
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