Josh Heupel or Brian Kelly--who wins an SEC Championship first?

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#30
If Kelly doesn’t have LSU winning 11 games within 2 years, he’ll be fired. The last 3 LSU coaches have won nattys. Their last coach got fired 1.5 years after winning one.

Chances are 100% he’ll be fired within 3-4 years.
 
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Did Kelly get his special Papal dispensation to leave Notre Dame yet? It isn’t official until then I think 😉
 
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Dudleys87 said:
He’s an arrogant snot nosed prick. You’ll see it a lot more now that it won’t be on one network
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Arrogance is ok in Football if you can back it up. Spurrier proved that from a positive viewpoint and Pruitt showed how it DOESN‘T work when you fail
 
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zooguy said:
If Kelly doesn’t have LSU winning 11 games within 2 years, he’ll be fired. The last 3 LSU coaches have won nattys. Their last coach got fired 1.5 years after winning one.

Chances are 100% he’ll be fired within 3-4 years.
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The cultural fit will not be easy which removes a lot of the „honeymoon period“ he might have relied on
 
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He was just on finebaum.

"I have never been to lsu, I have never been to that campus. I love the outdoors, and am looking forward to getting know them."

I'm beginning to believe 100$ million buys you a 3 year coach.
 
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finebaum made a good point tho. With all the law suits lsu is dealing with rn, getting a clean button down coach who keeps a lid on a program may be underestimated.
 
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zooguy said:
If Kelly doesn’t have LSU winning 11 games within 2 years, he’ll be fired. The last 3 LSU coaches have won nattys. Their last coach got fired 1.5 years after winning one.

Chances are 100% he’ll be fired within 3-4 years.
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If he is fired without cause he is owed 90% of the remaining contract, if he doesn't win a natty. After year 2, he would be owed somewhere in the $70-75m range (90% of remaining amount). During that time, the cookie monster restructured his buyout, which LSU would still be paying on thru 2025.... which is in the $1-2m a year after they pay him $5m this year.

LSU would be paying for somewhere around $10-11m+ year for just head coaches which wouldn't be coaching thru 2025 if spaced out per year. (this doesn't account for other staff)
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Arrogance is ok in Football if you can back it up. Spurrier proved that from a positive viewpoint and Pruitt showed how it DOESN‘T work when you fail
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When your not a part of a conference, even though I respect our men and women in service play the academies isn’t exactly top competition, and the cupcakes every year you have no reason to look down on or talk smack to anyone.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Arrogance is ok in Football if you can back it up. Spurrier proved that from a positive viewpoint and Pruitt showed how it DOESN‘T work when you fail
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There are also different types of arrogant. Spurrier was arrogant in a "I think my team is really good and we are going to beat you" kind of way, plus he was just really funny.

Kelly and Pruitt are arrogant in a much more snobbish, "Don't you know who I am, bend over and kiss my ring" kind of way.
 
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I know some will disagree because he couldn’t win a championship at Notre Dame but I’ve always been impressed by the job he did rebuilding the program and that he found ways to win within the constraints he had to work with. Brian Kelly at LSU will be interesting to watch.
 
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BUBear said:
Their last three coaches all won one. The first guy, for all intents and purposes, was a Midwest Yankee and the other two were total goobers. Will Kelly win one and how soon will he win it? Who knows but the odds are in his favor that he will win one.
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It'll be LSU. Saban is a quasi-southerner (West Virginia is a strange place, but they definitely aren't Yankees), but he was a poor cultural fit there just like he is a poor cultural fit at Alabama. It doesn't matter in the slightest because he's a great coach, which ultimately is why the "Kelly is a bad cultural fit there" angle is kind of overrated. If he wins, they'll love him. And as everybody has been saying the two goobers who coached there before him each won SEC/national titles.

I do think that being a poor cultural fit gives him a shorter leash than would otherwise be the case, but Coach O was the living embodiment of LSU's fanbase and guess what, his leash wasn't all that long either. People like winning, that's what it boils down to.
 
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BIGORANGEBUBBA said:
Kelly is going to be a huge disappointment for LSU
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I thought the same thing. I may be wrong but I don't think Kelly is as good as everybody thinks and is a snake in the grass. This was a poor, shinny object hire in my opinion. His teams are always great on paper, somewhat talented but have never produced when in the spotlight. ND recruits itself and has recognition to do a grab but Kelly with all that talent has produced average to above average teams without much substance. Welcome to the SEC. He will not be prepared to deal with the grind and to be honest, he is a couple of grades above Butch and that is about it.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
I thought the same thing. I may be wrong but I don't think Kelly is as good as everybody thinks and is a snake in the grass. This was a poor, shinny object hire in my opinion. His teams are always great on paper, somewhat talented but have never produced when in the spotlight. ND recruits itself and has recognition to do a grab but Kelly with all that talent has produced average to above average teams without much substance. Welcome to the SEC. He will not be prepared to deal with the grind and to be honest, he is a couple of grades above Butch and that is about it.
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I want to agree with that, but I can't really because Les Miles and Ed Orgeron won national titles at LSU. I think I could go there for 3-4 years and at least win an SEC title.
 
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PG1 said:
BK will win a NC in 3 years. He will use his Catholic connection in La to control the state in recruiting. I see a dynamic QB transferring there for next season.
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I will take that bet. He has never faced an SEC Schedule week end and week out. The Grind and Weekly Prep are going to wear him out. Great guy but he will throw a coach or a player under the bus and that will not sit well for him and the base.
 
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05_never_again said:
I want to agree with that, but I can't really because Les Miles and Ed Orgeron won national titles at LSU. I think I could go there for 3-4 years and at least win an SEC title.
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Look at the Staffs they had when they did win. Ed Orgeron got lucky and so did Miles.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Look at the Staffs they had when they did win. Ed Orgeron got lucky and so did Miles.
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Once is luck, to have it happen twice makes you think that maybe it doesn't really who their head coach is.

I mean, The Hat somehow played for the national title twice, and even thought he lost the title to Saban he did beat him during the regular season in Tuscaloosa.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
To be fair a bit, the year Miles won it was the craziest year I've ever seen. It seemed like nobody wanted to win the NC. Kind of fitting Miles won it that year.
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True, but unbelievably the The Hat found his way into the title game again a few years later, and it was by strange quirks of fate that he had to face off against Saban again, who he had already beaten in the regular season. As lucky as he was, that was unlucky.

I bet if LSU got to play anybody else except Alabama in that game, Miles would have won 2 national titles. Crazy.
 
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05_never_again said:
True, but unbelievably the The Hat found his way into the title game again a few years later, and it was by strange quirks of fate that he had to face off against Saban again, who he had already beaten in the regular season. As lucky as he was, that was unlucky.

I bet if LSU got to play anybody else except Alabama in that game, Miles would have won 2 national titles. Crazy.
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Oh yeah, I forgot about 2011. Geez that's been 10 years ago now....
 
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05_never_again said:
Once is luck, to have it happen twice makes you think that maybe it doesn't really who their head coach is.

I mean, The Hat somehow played for the national title twice, and even thought he lost the title to Saban he did beat him during the regular season in Tuscaloosa.
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Getting Burrow and evidently running a pretty shakey program with an offensive coordinator in the SEC was something ED O fell into.

Having so much talent at LSU Miles was his own worse enemy, I think it was luck he won. Look at his success at Kansas. Isn't Coaching and Ed inherited it at the right time where Miles would have squandered it.
 
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