Jumpin them sideline routes

#29
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cgrish said:
But we have not run them near as much in the past as we are this year.
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I think that’s just how teams are choosing to defend us. We burned them deep all last year. Miss enough deep shots and maybe they’ll creep back up to cover the screens again.
 
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twigsxx2 said:
Pick 6s upcoming if we keep throwing them sideline routes. UTSA almost jumped one. Predictable is an understatement.
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Idk if there’s a team in all of the country that doesn’t throw quick screens. It’s a built in part of our run game and a lot of those are called runs. So you’ll see it plenty this week and every week after. Just like you did last year and the year before
 
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Why is it that there are so many posters on this site that are insistent that CJH change his scheme on offense to include items that they want to see? He has things set up so they can flow from one play to the next quickly using the same personnel for various options at a blinding pace. He adds a little more to the game plan each week and adds tweaks based on what team they are playing. We ran the same plan last year, the difference being HH was a little more accurate on the deep throws. Thus actually led to quicker scores and more pressure on the defense. If he decides to open up the game planning to the myriad experts amongst the fans, then you will be able to lend your vast knowledge to our scheme.
 
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Pride85 said:
Why is it that there are so many posters on this site that are insistent that CJH change his scheme on offense to include items that they want to see? He has things set up so they can flow from one play to the next quickly using the same personnel for various options at a blinding pace. He adds a little more to the game plan each week and adds tweaks based on what team they are playing. We ran the same plan last year, the difference being HH was a little more accurate on the deep throws. Thus actually led to quicker scores and more pressure on the defense. If he decides to open up the game planning to the myriad experts amongst the fans, then you will be able to lend your vast knowledge to our scheme.
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They don't understand the offense, that's why.
 
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What scares me most is that the only half decent team we’ve played beat us pretty easily. SC may be 2-2 but they have played a solid schedule so far
 
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#16vol said:
They are so predictable. It's like having Butch or Pruitt back.
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Except that the defense rarely stops us, only we have stopped ourselves so far. The play calling overall still produces the same wide open receivers, but the timing isn't quite there yet, this year. It is getting closer, but just a bit more to go. This weekend could well be that breakout weekend.
 
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Pride85 said:
Except that the defense rarely stops us, only we have stopped ourselves so far. The play calling overall still produces the same wide open receivers, but the timing isn't quite there yet, this year. It is getting closer, but just a bit more to go. This weekend could well be that breakout weekend.
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Hope so. I'm afraid Bama and Georgia will take advantage of it though.
 
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Pride85 said:
That is one reason this is as effective as it is. Milton’s arm is strong enough to get the pass all the way to the sideline before the defense can react. It becomes a really long handoff. As of right now we are getting 5-7 yards every time we run it. It can go to either side on any play. You guys keep saying it is predictable, but so far there has been one close call on a break up. We have run it, what, 70 times. Please tell me what logic makes you believe a nearly guaranteed 5 yard gain every time it is run is a bad thing? BTW, Alto1, this isn't a knock on your post, but I am agreeing with your statement and building on it.
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I get what you're saying, but I think people that don't like it (me) have valid reasons for not liking it.

1) If it works, it's a modest gain. If it doesn't work, it's a loss of 3-5 yards.

2) Risk/reward: If it does get jumped, it's an automatic 6 for the other team. No one is there to stop them. That's a tough risk to swallow for a 5 yard play.

3) If it doesn't get jumped, but does get blown up and the receiver loses it after the catch, again, it's almost an automatic 6 for the other team.

Ultimately the play just isn't worth the down, even if it does have a chance of gaining a few. We would all rather see the ball go forward, not sideways. This is a play that has a 0% chance of actually turning into a TD.
 
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Why are people acting like this wasnt the same thing we did last year? The only difference in playcalling last year to this year is we hit on/threw more deep balls. this year the run has carried the water.

Has anyone thought about it this way... maybe the reason we are not going over the top more often is that teams learned from last year and are ok with giving up those 5-6 yard gains instead of getting their souls ripped out by a bomb over the top? Joe will get his timing down and some team will bite on that and get roasted before its all said and done. They take what the defense gives them. Thornton seems to still be getting his sea legs under him. I was surprised when Mccoy and Keyton went out they brought in Webb and Nimrod on the outside instead of putting Thornton out there.
 
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pimo1 said:
Why are people acting like this wasnt the same thing we did last year? The only difference in playcalling last year to this year is we hit on/threw more deep balls. this year the run has carried the water.

Has anyone thought about it this way... maybe the reason we are not going over the top more often is that teams learned from last year and are ok with giving up those 5-6 yard gains instead of getting their souls ripped out by a bomb over the top? Joe will get his timing down and some team will bite on that and get roasted before its all said and done. They take what the defense gives them. Thornton seems to still be getting his sea legs under him. I was surprised when Mccoy and Keyton went out they brought in Webb and Nimrod on the outside instead of putting Thornton out there.
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There is no receiver on the roster near Hyatt's level. His ability to be a deep threat consistently is missing. I have seen some guys get open deep but nothing like Jalin from last year.
 
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knox-townVOL said:
I get what you're saying, but I think people that don't like it (me) have valid reasons for not liking it.

1) If it works, it's a modest gain. If it doesn't work, it's a loss of 3-5 yards.

2) Risk/reward: If it does get jumped, it's an automatic 6 for the other team. No one is there to stop them. That's a tough risk to swallow for a 5 yard play.

3) If it doesn't get jumped, but does get blown up and the receiver loses it after the catch, again, it's almost an automatic 6 for the other team.

Ultimately the play just isn't worth the down, even if it does have a chance of gaining a few. We would all rather see the ball go forward, not sideways. This is a play that has a 0% chance of actually turning into a TD.
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Kindly watch this video for about 30 seconds and tell me again the bubble screen has "a 0% chance of actually turning into a TD." Thanks.

 
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Carp said:
Teams keep lining up 7-10 yards off the ball and we're gonna keep throwing em. It's an easy 5 yards almost every play.
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Correct! We threw them all year last year too. Some of you guys act like this is new.
 
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volfan411 said:
It is like some fans let their hatred for Joe blind them to the facts.
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I don't like all the bubble screens either but it's nuts to say we can't possibly score with them when we actually did just a couple of weeks earlier.

I wish the playbook was more open and I'm confused why it isn't, but I've only got the view of what I can see on TV.

I'd love to watch the game film, have a few beers with Heupel and Halzle, order up a pizza, and show them a few plays I've drawn up. I'm not sure why they don't call me and Knox-town for help.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I don't like all the bubble screens either but it's nuts to say we can't possibly score with them when we actually did just a couple of weeks earlier.

I wish the playbook was more open and I'm confused why it isn't, but I've only got the view of what I can see on TV.

I'd love to watch the game film, have a few beers with Heupel and Halzle, order up a pizza, and show them a few plays I've drawn up. I'm not sure why they don't call me and Knox-town for help.
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I agree with playbook and hope the root of the limited play calling is the interior of the o-line being so bad. I hope May’s returning will improve the play of line and open up the playbook.
 
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knox-townVOL said:
I get what you're saying, but I think people that don't like it (me) have valid reasons for not liking it.

1) If it works, it's a modest gain. If it doesn't work, it's a loss of 3-5 yards.

2) Risk/reward: If it does get jumped, it's an automatic 6 for the other team. No one is there to stop them. That's a tough risk to swallow for a 5 yard play.

3) If it doesn't get jumped, but does get blown up and the receiver loses it after the catch, again, it's almost an automatic 6 for the other team.

Ultimately the play just isn't worth the down, even if it does have a chance of gaining a few. We would all rather see the ball go forward, not sideways. This is a play that has a 0% chance of actually turning into a TD.
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We will just have to agree to disagree. I base my evaluation off what has happened, not what might happen. Again, we havnoe a QB with arm strength to get the ball all the way to the sideline before the d can react. It might not work with most QBs. In order to stay ahead of the chains, you only have to get 4 yards per play.
 
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