Junior Seau Found Dead in Home

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zjcvols said:
I agree. But the NFL deserves responsibilities for not protecting the players.

And that's the thing: It's risk vs. reward "Yeah, I might not live till 60, but if I make millions of millions of dollars (like Seau) I can make sure my great grandkids are set for life possibly."

That's a tough situation to say no to the money.
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Maybe a lawyer, like SDV, can chime in here, but I think the players have to prove the NFL was intentionally withholding information regarding the long-term effects of concussions and/or was negligent in its history regarding player safety.

I can think way back to the Deacon Jones rule where the NFL outlawed clubbing the head to increase player safety and, more specifically, protect from concussions. Also, the players must demonstrate they would have behaved differently had they known about the effects. I don't see a lot of current players running for the hills because of the latest medical revelations which would hurt the former players' claims.

I really don't think the NFL can be held responsible for any of this.
 
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HSVol said:
Maybe a lawyer, like SDV, can chime in here, but I think the players have to prove the NFL was intentionally withholding information regarding the long-term effects of concussions and/or was negligent in its history regarding player safety.

I can think way back to the Deacon Jones rule where the NFL outlawed clubbing the head to increase player safety and, more specifically, protect from concussions. Also, the players must demonstrate they would have behaved differently had they known about the effects. I don't see a lot of current players running for the hills because of the latest medical revelations which would hurt the former players' claims.

I really don't think the NFL can be held responsible for any of this.
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That's the key. Look, we know more about concussions than we do, say five years ago. However, the NFL continued to let players play with concussions, knowing there was still some risk.
 
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Free will is not going to have much to do with it once they can scan living brains. How will high school and college football survive in any recognizable form once it's one concussion and you're out? You can't have it be a matter of free will with unpaid students.

Maybe the NFL will be forced to run its own developmental league, and aspiring players will have to switch to that once they turn 18. Regardless, huge changes are unfortunately coming.
 
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zjcvols said:
That's the key. Look, we know more about concussions than we do, say five years ago. However, the NFL continued to let players play with concussions, knowing there was still some risk.
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The NFL has changed and responded about as well as they could have given the information at hand. Plus, even if they were negligent, as you claim, in the last five years, that's no help to a player that retired 10 years ago.

If the NFL has been negligent, then every college with a football team has been MORE negligent. High schools even more than colleges.

So is Roger Goodell negligent? IMO, absolutely not.
 
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Who was the NFL QB that had like 7 concussions ? Was it Trent Green ? wonder how he is doing these days -- on another subject both of these guys were defensive players -- most would think offensive players would suffer the most --
 
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508mikey said:
Who was the NFL QB that had like 7 concussions ? Was it Trent Green ? wonder how he is doing these days -- on another subject both of these guys were defensive players -- most would think offensive players would suffer the most --
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Dave Duerson was a WR, IIRC
 
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HSVol said:
The NFL has changed and responded about as well as they could have given the information at hand. Plus, even if they were negligent, as you claim, in the last five years, that's no help to a player that retired 10 years ago.

If the NFL has been negligent, then every college with a football team has been MORE negligent. High schools even more than colleges.

So is Roger Goodell negligent? IMO, absolutely not.
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Yeah, he has been. Uh, 18 game schedule? Waiting three years to do anything when in 2007 the huge report about concussions came out? He only did anything until they were being sued.

And I agree. Colleges and high schools have been just as bad. They also aren't bringing in billions of dollars of revenue to do studies.
 
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zjcvols said:
Yeah, he has been. Uh, 18 game schedule? Waiting three years to do anything when in 2007 the huge report about concussions came out? He only did anything until they were being sued.

And I agree. Colleges and high schools have been just as bad. They also aren't bringing in billions of dollars of revenue to do studies.
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So when did the NFL go to an 18 game schedule? I must've missed that. And since when was the NFL a medical research company? Is it their responsibility to conduct advanced medical research?

And you can't be serious about colleges not making billions on football. College football runs collegiate athletics and has for a long time.

My point about high schools and colleges is that they've been much slower to respond to medical research than the NFL.

Ok. Thanks for correcting me on Duerson.
 
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milohimself said:
I think the 18 game schedule is still a foregone conclusion at this point.
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We'll see.

Times are changing. I don't disagree that they've stumped for it, but implementation of the 18 game season still hasn't occurred.

There are merits to that point. However, that fact alone should not destroy Goodell's work to make player safety a priority. Plus, even though it has been discussed, it still hasn't happened.
 
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HSVol said:
So when did the NFL go to an 18 game schedule? I must've missed that. And since when was the NFL a medical research company? Is it their responsibility to conduct advanced medical research?

And you can't be serious about colleges not making billions on football. College football runs collegiate athletics and has for a long time.

My point about high schools and colleges is that they've been much slower to respond to medical research than the NFL.

Ok. Thanks for correcting me on Duerson.
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It hasn't happened but it will because "The Sheriff" wants it and will manipulate his way to do it. And they aren't, but it's also their job to protect their employees. If we worked in an office, and then became sick because of some sort of mold, we would sue them and the company would be liable, even though we know there are certain possible "risks" attached.
 
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Kinda wish ESPN would give it a rest on showing his mothers reaction. Heartbreaking.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
don't mean to take away here and it's just a thought, but if this is self inflicted and he's already tried before, will there be a link to concussions

RIP Seau
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IMO, These body building chemicals that guys use today are a bigger problem than concussions.
 
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You get paid millions of dollar's to play a 'contact' sport. 65% Of folk's these days are dignosed with a serious illness that could be life-threatning and yet there not btichnig.
 
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Players know the risks of the game, yet they still choose to play. The game of football won't be going anywhere.
 
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Yankee_Vol said:
Football isn't going anywhere
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...agreed.

People die or are injured due to their participation in certain sports all the time. It's an acknowledged risk.

The sport will adjust and continue.



The first jersey I ever bought with my own cash was Seau's.
 
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vol4eva said:
Players know the risks of the game, yet they still choose to play. The game of football won't be going anywhere.
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Football will survive only if they adapt and make the game more safe. I think they're on the right track.
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OCIVol said:
Folks, if you like football, you better enjoy it while it lasts because it's not going to be around in 20 years. With players getting bigger, faster, and stronger, the concussions will only increase. In addition, you are seeing a number of former NFL players commit suicide, and the studies on their brains are going to be devastating news to the NFL. The NFL, however, will survive longer than college football because the NFL will be able to get its players to sign assumption of risk and liability waivers in every contract. Because the NFL players are get paid, the law deems this sufficient consideration for the enforcement of the contract. Colleges, however, will not be able to require student-athletes to enter these contracts. All it's going to take is one former college football player to commit suicide or have other mental/physical disabilities related to concussions incurred during playing college football, and the players estate filing a lawsuit against the university. It's not really a question of if, but when the estate prevails on the lawsuit, insurance companies will refuse to insure universities against such claims and universities will begin pulling their football programs.
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true,and as soon as they sign boom college has to pay them.
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vol4eva said:
Players know the risks of the game, yet they still choose to play. The game of football won't be going anywhere.
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No they don't. We knew a fraction about sports head injuries in 1990 compared to what we know now. The same will be said in another 20 years
 
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Hate to say it, but this Marcellus Wiley interview about Junior Seau on ESPN feels phony. Seems like he's playing it out for the camera. Hope I'm wrong and that it's genuine.
 
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zjcvols said:
It hasn't happened but it will because "The Sheriff" wants it and will manipulate his way to do it. And they aren't, but it's also their job to protect their employees. If we worked in an office, and then became sick because of some sort of mold, we would sue them and the company would be liable, even though we know there are certain possible "risks" attached.
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So, other than Goodell stumping for converting two preseason games to regular season games, what else has he done that proves he's negligent or ignoring the medical research in the context of player safety?

Don't forget that Goodell works for the owners. The 18 game schedule probably wasn't his alone.

The guy is hated by the players because he's trying to change the culture of the sport. That means he's doing a good job in that context.
 
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milohimself said:
No they don't. We knew a fraction about sports head injuries in 1990 compared to what we know now. The same will be said in another 20 years
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I think a lot of these guys are just dumber than they were 20 years ago and they blame it on football. The arrest record for NFL players is off the charts. Both Seau and Duerson have been arrested for domestic battery before. Then today I see where Cowboy Torrin Tucker was arrested for cocaine and marijuana possession. I dont know the stats but the arrest dont seem to be as prevalent in the Canadian football league and neither do the the head injuries.
 
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