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Auburn originally scheduled Bowling Green, who pulled out at the last minute and forced Auburn to get whoever they could.
Bowling Green ended up 9-3, and received the 27th most votes in the final AP and Coaches Poll.
So, if Auburn had been allowed to play their originally scheduled opponents (and beaten Bowling Green), they would have been in the BCS Championship Game....unless the media and coaches screwed them even worse.
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Well, I don't blame the media on the point of putting Oklahoma in the big game. During the preseason and early season, all signs were pointing to the Big XII South being immensley strong. During the regular season, for a couple weeks, 5 of the 6 teams in that division were ranked in the top 25. For Oklahoma to go undefeated against that is pretty amazing.
But, as we all know, something happened along the line and the Big XII South was not nearly as strong as advertised. Oklahoma got embarassed in the Orange Bowl, Texas barely beat a very overrated Michigan team in the Rose Bowl, Texas A&M got humiliated by Tennessee in the Cotton Bowl, Ohio State dominated Oklahoma State, and Texas Tech vs. California... Well, we all know how that one turned out. But the point remains the same.
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Auburn originally scheduled Bowling Green, who pulled out at the last minute and forced Auburn to get whoever they could.
Bowling Green ended up 9-3, and received the 27th most votes in the final AP and Coaches Poll.
So, if Auburn had been allowed to play their originally scheduled opponents (and beaten Bowling Green), they would have been in the BCS Championship Game....unless the media and coaches screwed them even worse. [/quote]
And the only team available was a 3-7-1 D-IAA team?
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The NCAA requires a conference to have 12 teams in order to split into two divisions and thus have a championship game. The Pac-10 isn't allowed to have a championship game.[/quote]
So I guess they're not allowed to add Fresno State and Boise State to their conference, or 2 other schools.
They see it as an advantage not having a Conference Championship Game, and that is a pure cop out by the PAC-10.
Sorry to disagree with everyone, but I don't see it the way you all do.
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Originally posted by TroyCG@Apr 24, 2005 7:14 PM
So I guess they're not allowed to add Fresno State and Boise State to their conference, or 2 other schools.
They see it as an advantage not having a Conference Championship Game, and that is a pure cop out by the PAC-10.
Sorry to disagree with everyone, but I don't see it the way you all do.
I'm sure you know every in and out of the Pac-10, and also know that simply annexing two teams onto a conference is just no big deal.
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I agree with the points made in this article.
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Indefensible that Auburn can't be No. 1
Undefeated is undefeated,no matter how you slice it
COMMENTARY
By Mike Celizic
NBCSports.com contributor
Updated: 2:25 p.m. ET Jan. 4, 2005
It doesnt matter what the BCS and the polls and the defenders of the indefensible say. No legitimate national champion can be crowned after the Orange Bowl as long as there is another major college football undefeated team.
After dispatching a pesky Virginia Tech team a team the ESPN crew so built up before the game, youd be forgiven for thinking that among its 10 victories were wins over the New England Patriots and Pittsburgh Steelers in the Nokia Were No. 3 Bowl, the Auburn Tigers are 13-0 with no more games to play. Until right now, every team that finished 13-0 in Division I-A college football has been declared national champion.
Not this season. According to the rules, Auburn can finish No. 2, even though it hasnt even played either of the teams playing for the championship. (Makes sense, doesnt it? You have a game for first and second place, and the team that loses it finishes third while the team that didnt play in it finishes second.)
But it cant finish No. 1.
It is indefensible. If Auburn cant be national champion, then neither can the winner of the Orange Bowl between USC and Oklahoma. Undefeated is undefeated. A major conference is a major conference. You cant have different degrees of unbeaten not unless you turn that hair-splitting task over to the panels of sportswriters and coaches and the flow of electrons through a silicon chip.
And that doesnt even get into the situation with Utah and Boise State, two teams that didnt play in major conferences but that put up major records.
If the Olympics were run this way, thered be only two people in the final of the 100-meter dash, the two being decided upon not in a series of elimination races, but by a vote.
If baseball did it this way, the Yankees would have played the Cardinals for the World Series last year while the other playoff teams played each other in a series of consolation games.
If the NFL followed these rules, the Steelers and the Patriots would be going straight to the Super Bowl and the NFC wouldnt be represented because none of its teams finished high enough in the polls.
The BCS can rationalize Utah and Boise State out of the bowl picture and its hard to disagree with the argument that neither played in a major conference. At the same time, its hard to deny that Utah was one of this seasons elite teams, and its really a crime against fair competition that the Utes didnt have a chance to show just how good they are.
But you cant blithely write off Auburn by saying that among their victories is one against a Division IAA team the Citadel, and another against a team thats hardly a national power Louisiana-Monroe.
The BCS calls it strength of schedule, and it would mean something if every Top Ten team had to play 11 fully worthy opponents. But because there are just as many Division I pushovers as there are pushovers in lower divisions, its a crock.
So what if the Tigers played a patsy or two? Especially since the Tigers have Bowling Green scheduled for the Citadel game and Bowling Green pulled out to go get beaten by Oklahoma.
Besides, USC played Arizona and Colorado State, two teams that combined for a 7-15 record. Oklahoma took on Houston and Baylor, which were every bit as good as their 3-8 records suggested they were.
I guess the lesson is that Auburn should have scheduled Rutgers or Buffalo or Central Michigan or some other Division I non-entity. Or even a mid-level team that would give it adequate strength of schedule but couldnt possibly threaten to actually win the game.
The reality is every team has a couple or more than a couple of teams on its schedule that it couldnt lose to if the entire first string came down with the flu and the scout team had to play. If you want to talk strength of schedule, fine. But measure it against the best teams you play, not the worst.
Auburn, Oklahoma and USC all played a couple of patsies and all played some top teams. They all won major conferences. Theyre all equally deserving. As far as that goes, based on what weve seen in earlier bowls, Utah is also deserving of a shot. So is one-loss Texas.
Auburns real sin wasnt in playing the Citadel, but in starting the season ranked behind both USC, the preseason No. 1, and Oklahoma. Once the voters set that order, none of the teams were going to change positions as long as they kept winning. Had Auburn begun the season first or second a vote taken based on no evidence because no games have yet been played it would be playing for the title, and someone else would be on the outside, feeling quite justifiably that it had been cheated out of a shot at glory.
The reason only two teams get to play for the title is because the erudite knuckleheads who run the nations Division I colleges dont want a playoff. They dont have a good reason for not wanting one, mostly because there isnt a good reason. They just dont, and thats enough, especially if youre a college president whose main accountability isnt to justice but to the endowment.
Its just a shame that great teams didnt get a chance to prove their greatness, a shame that either Oklahoma or USC will get a big shiny trophy, and all Auburn will get is the shaft.
Mike Celizic is a frequent contributor to NBCSports.com and a free-lance writer based in New York.
© 2005 MSNBC.com
URL: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6783412/
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Indefensible that Auburn can't be No. 1
Undefeated is undefeated,no matter how you slice it
COMMENTARY
By Mike Celizic
NBCSports.com contributor
Updated: 2:25 p.m. ET Jan. 4, 2005
It doesnt matter what the BCS and the polls and the defenders of the indefensible say. No legitimate national champion can be crowned after the Orange Bowl as long as there is another major college football undefeated team.
After dispatching a pesky Virginia Tech team a team the ESPN crew so built up before the game, youd be forgiven for thinking that among its 10 victories were wins over the New England Patriots and Pittsburgh Steelers in the Nokia Were No. 3 Bowl, the Auburn Tigers are 13-0 with no more games to play. Until right now, every team that finished 13-0 in Division I-A college football has been declared national champion.
Not this season. According to the rules, Auburn can finish No. 2, even though it hasnt even played either of the teams playing for the championship. (Makes sense, doesnt it? You have a game for first and second place, and the team that loses it finishes third while the team that didnt play in it finishes second.)
But it cant finish No. 1.
It is indefensible. If Auburn cant be national champion, then neither can the winner of the Orange Bowl between USC and Oklahoma. Undefeated is undefeated. A major conference is a major conference. You cant have different degrees of unbeaten not unless you turn that hair-splitting task over to the panels of sportswriters and coaches and the flow of electrons through a silicon chip.
And that doesnt even get into the situation with Utah and Boise State, two teams that didnt play in major conferences but that put up major records.
If the Olympics were run this way, thered be only two people in the final of the 100-meter dash, the two being decided upon not in a series of elimination races, but by a vote.
If baseball did it this way, the Yankees would have played the Cardinals for the World Series last year while the other playoff teams played each other in a series of consolation games.
If the NFL followed these rules, the Steelers and the Patriots would be going straight to the Super Bowl and the NFC wouldnt be represented because none of its teams finished high enough in the polls.
The BCS can rationalize Utah and Boise State out of the bowl picture and its hard to disagree with the argument that neither played in a major conference. At the same time, its hard to deny that Utah was one of this seasons elite teams, and its really a crime against fair competition that the Utes didnt have a chance to show just how good they are.
But you cant blithely write off Auburn by saying that among their victories is one against a Division IAA team the Citadel, and another against a team thats hardly a national power Louisiana-Monroe.
The BCS calls it strength of schedule, and it would mean something if every Top Ten team had to play 11 fully worthy opponents. But because there are just as many Division I pushovers as there are pushovers in lower divisions, its a crock.
So what if the Tigers played a patsy or two? Especially since the Tigers have Bowling Green scheduled for the Citadel game and Bowling Green pulled out to go get beaten by Oklahoma.
Besides, USC played Arizona and Colorado State, two teams that combined for a 7-15 record. Oklahoma took on Houston and Baylor, which were every bit as good as their 3-8 records suggested they were.
I guess the lesson is that Auburn should have scheduled Rutgers or Buffalo or Central Michigan or some other Division I non-entity. Or even a mid-level team that would give it adequate strength of schedule but couldnt possibly threaten to actually win the game.
The reality is every team has a couple or more than a couple of teams on its schedule that it couldnt lose to if the entire first string came down with the flu and the scout team had to play. If you want to talk strength of schedule, fine. But measure it against the best teams you play, not the worst.
Auburn, Oklahoma and USC all played a couple of patsies and all played some top teams. They all won major conferences. Theyre all equally deserving. As far as that goes, based on what weve seen in earlier bowls, Utah is also deserving of a shot. So is one-loss Texas.
Auburns real sin wasnt in playing the Citadel, but in starting the season ranked behind both USC, the preseason No. 1, and Oklahoma. Once the voters set that order, none of the teams were going to change positions as long as they kept winning. Had Auburn begun the season first or second a vote taken based on no evidence because no games have yet been played it would be playing for the title, and someone else would be on the outside, feeling quite justifiably that it had been cheated out of a shot at glory.
The reason only two teams get to play for the title is because the erudite knuckleheads who run the nations Division I colleges dont want a playoff. They dont have a good reason for not wanting one, mostly because there isnt a good reason. They just dont, and thats enough, especially if youre a college president whose main accountability isnt to justice but to the endowment.
Its just a shame that great teams didnt get a chance to prove their greatness, a shame that either Oklahoma or USC will get a big shiny trophy, and all Auburn will get is the shaft.
Mike Celizic is a frequent contributor to NBCSports.com and a free-lance writer based in New York.
© 2005 MSNBC.com
URL: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6783412/
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Utah, BYU, Boise State are all programs that are possibilities.
Fresno State has been complaing for years that many PAC-10 schools duck them in football and basketball.
With all due respect, adding 2 teams would enable the PAC-10 to have a Conference Championship Game. Wouldn't the revenue from that game alone make it worthwhile? And if you add teams that can improve the strength of the conference, that would also help the PAC-10's overall revenue.
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well you want something to be ticked off about?
Munoz wasn't drafted, then I just read this article.
Here's a laundry list of players, in random order, who might be NFL regulars someday, and they weren't drafted in 2005:
George Gause, DE, South Carolina
Ernest Shazor, SS, Michigan
Kay-Jay Harris, RB, West Virginia
Adam Bergen, TE, Lehigh
Reggie Harrell, WR, TCU
Will Matthews, FB, Texas
Jason White, QB, Oklahoma
Simon Fraser, DE, Ohio State
Marcus Randall, RB/WR, LSU
Jon Beutjer, QB, Illinois
James Butler, S, Georgia Tech
Matt McChesney, DT, Colorado
DeCori Birmingham, RB, Arkansas
Steve Fleming, TE, Arizona
Matt LoVecchio, QB, Indiana
C.J. Brooks, OL, Maryland
He isn't even on this list. what the crap.
Munoz wasn't drafted, then I just read this article.
Here's a laundry list of players, in random order, who might be NFL regulars someday, and they weren't drafted in 2005:
George Gause, DE, South Carolina
Ernest Shazor, SS, Michigan
Kay-Jay Harris, RB, West Virginia
Adam Bergen, TE, Lehigh
Reggie Harrell, WR, TCU
Will Matthews, FB, Texas
Jason White, QB, Oklahoma
Simon Fraser, DE, Ohio State
Marcus Randall, RB/WR, LSU
Jon Beutjer, QB, Illinois
James Butler, S, Georgia Tech
Matt McChesney, DT, Colorado
DeCori Birmingham, RB, Arkansas
Steve Fleming, TE, Arizona
Matt LoVecchio, QB, Indiana
C.J. Brooks, OL, Maryland
He isn't even on this list. what the crap.
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