Just a note to a Gator fan

[volbrian]

UF still plays 3 more top 7 teams..not to mention Bama at 15 so it is possible...but I like what I saw in Meyer for that UT game...he beat the best coach in the league at his own game...that is a sign of a great coach. devilsmoke.gif

NCGATORBAIT

And what kinda of coach is he when he takes his team up against a GOOD, balanced team and gets shellacked by 4 TDs? I called it bro. a GOOD team exposed UF for what they are. A paper champion on defense (that took advantage of what we already know-UT is lacking on offense) and an old broken down offense that wont last in the SEC.

1 down and at least, 2 to go. :biggrin2:

 

[7IlikeOrange7]

hahaha word

 

[WA_Vol]

Originally posted by volbrian@Oct 2, 2005 10:20 PM
NCGATORBAIT

And what kinda of coach is he when he takes his team up against a GOOD, balanced team and gets shellacked by 4 TDs?  I called it bro.  a GOOD team exposed UF for what they are.  A paper champion on defense (that took advantage of what we already know-UT is lacking on offense) and an old broken down offense that wont last in the SEC. 

1 down and at least, 2 to go.  :biggrin2:

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I'm feeling really good about playing against an Urban Meyer offense the next couple of season (hopefully longer)......

 

[volbrian]

This came up beyween Master Bai...er...nevermind, the UF fan the other day. The mere mention of UT having something to do with their pitiful performence had this guy convinced that UF was back on top of the world, especially with their #1 ranked defense. I kept telling him an average team that is capable to move to ball will beat them. He took offense to that.

But then, he is probably taking offense at a lot of us who arent drinking the Koolade.

 

[KYVolFan]

Originally posted by oklavol@Oct 3, 2005 2:15 AM
I'm feeling really good about playing against an Urban Meyer offense the next couple of season (hopefully longer)......

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A couple of more performances like Saturday and Yourbane, "the greatest ball coach in the history of the world", and his Mystical Offense will not be in, around or even remembered in Florida. Alabama showed what the Mastergaters really have.

 

[GatorsN07]

Originally posted by oklavol@Oct 3, 2005 1:15 AM
I'm feeling really good about playing against an Urban Meyer offense the next couple of season (hopefully longer)......

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I'm not saying you are wrong, but I'd be careful making statements like that. Florida did get shalacked, however every player on Alabama played the best game of their lives. Florida played shellshocked from the start. I was hoping for a comeback like Tenn's over LSU, but sickened as I watched the entire game. It's a little too early to say Urban Meyer won't get things together after his team picks up the entire offense. He's only running about 40% of the offense right now because Leak is not a spread option quarterback. I watched Utah dominate Wyoming last year in Wyoming and got a good taste of what the spread option is really about. I know people say it won't work in the SEC because everyone is faster, but Utah got comparable talent to the teams they played against. Just like Florida gets comparable talent to other teams in the SEC. Anyway, good luck this year VOLS. If my Gators and Spurrier's Gamecocks aren't doing anything, I'm pulling for ya'll. :good:

 

[GAVol]

Originally posted by GatorsN07@Oct 3, 2005 2:22 PM
Leak is not a spread option quarterback.

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You nailed it . . . Leak has been OK, but Meyer's offense is handicapped when there is little to no threat of the QB keep.

 

[surrealvol]

As much as I love to beat the Gators, I think I know enough to know that Meyer will get things going his way when he gets the type guys he needs at most positions.

Given time, he'll get it done, but it will be so much fun to beat him and them!

Go Vols!

 

[volbrian]

Why isnt Bama rinning the wish bone any more? Why arent the VOLS running the single wing? Point is there is a graveyard where outdated and old fashioned offenses go.

UM is trying to revive what has been long gone in the SEC. Defenses arent like what thet were 25 years ago. They are quicker and stronger. It isnt UM as much as it is the spread option.

 

[cd12]

Originally posted by volbrian@Oct 3, 2005 2:49 PM
Why isnt Bama rinning the wish bone any more?  Why arent the VOLS running the single wing?  Point is there is a graveyard where outdated and old fashioned offenses go. 

UM is trying to revive what has been long gone in the SEC.  Defenses arent like what thet were 25 years ago.  They are quicker and stronger.  It isnt UM as much as it is the spread option.

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Great Point!

 

[GAVol]

Originally posted by volbrian@Oct 3, 2005 2:49 PM
UM is trying to revive what has been long gone in the SEC.

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That is a good point. As "innovative" as the spread option may seem, all in the world it is is a Single Wing with an extra receiver or two. As much as we always try to find the next big thing, there just aren't all that many things that haven't been tried before on a football field.

 

[volbrian]

Originally posted by GAVol@Oct 3, 2005 2:02 PM
That is a good point.  As "innovative" as the spread option may seem,  all in the world it is is a Single Wing with an extra receiver or two.  As much as we always try to find the next big thing, there just aren't all that many things that haven't been tried before on a football field.

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Exactly! Anybody remember but me the "run and shoot" offense? It was replaced by the "West Coast" offense and now, the Run and Shoot is in the same graveyard. As soon as teams learn to defend the WC offense, or until a more efficient one can be introduced, we'll be hearing a lot about it.

 

[OldVol]

Originally posted by GAVol@Oct 3, 2005 1:30 PM
You nailed it . . . Leak has been OK, but Meyer's offense is handicapped when there is little to no threat of the QB keep.

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Yep. He's going to have to either change his offensive strategy or recruit Michael Vick every 3 to 4 years, becaue that's the caliber of player it would take to run that offense successfully against the top 6 defenses in the SEC.

I've said from the begining that his offense would work well agianst mediocre defenses and would not work agains good, fast, athletic defenses.

On the top 6 defenses in the SEC there's precious little weakness to expose, which is what his offense thrives on.

I'm not saying he won't be able to change his philosophy and be successful, but then, he's just another coach struggling to win in the SEC, not the miracle worker that was pounding defenses in the Mac and the Wac, or whatever acs he was in. :biggrin2:

 

[GatorsN07]

Originally posted by OldVol@Oct 3, 2005 2:35 PM
I've said from the begining that his offense would work well agianst mediocre defenses and would not work agains good, fast, athletic defenses.

Once again, I'm not saying you are wrong. But only time will tell. You really can't say the offense is a bust in the SEC until UM is able to get the right personnel to run it and run the whole offense. When that happens, if the offense doesn't work I'm totally onboard with UM making a change. I'm not going to sell my coach down the river after 1 loss to a good team. And no I'm not taking a jab at Tennessee fans, however LSU fans are sure giving Les Miles a hard time. :biggrin2:

 

[volbrian]

Originally posted by GatorsN07@Oct 3, 2005 2:52 PM
Once again, I'm not saying you are wrong.  But only time will tell.  You really can't say the offense is a bust in the SEC until UM is able to get the right personnel to run it and run the whole offense.  When that happens, if the offense doesn't work I'm totally onboard with UM making a change.  I'm not going to sell my coach down the river after 1 loss to a good team.  And no I'm not taking a jab at Tennessee fans, however LSU fans are sure giving Les Miles a hard time.  :biggrin2:

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You sound like a pretty knowledgable gator fan. Its gonna be fun talkin some football with ya.

Now, think back if ya will. How long did you give Zook before you jumped off his bandwagon? A couple of 8 win seasons? Or, losing to another MSU type team (cellar dweller)?

 

[rwemyss]

What do you mean he doesn't have the personell? I still think that's just an excuse that the media has come up with. Leak is easily as mobile as Alex Smith... just about the only knock you can have against Leak compared to Smith is his ability to read the D and check into the proper play... but that's a skill that a LOT of quarterbacks don't have.

 

[GatorsN07]

Originally posted by rwemyss@Oct 3, 2005 2:59 PM
What do you mean he doesn't have the personell?  I still think that's just an excuse that the media has come up with.  Leak is easily as mobile as Alex Smith... just about the only knock you can have against Leak compared to Smith is his ability to read the D and check into the proper play... but that's a skill that a LOT of quarterbacks don't have.

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Well, it is an excuse. That's probably why it sounds that way. I'm not even saying it is totally accurate. I don't know. I hope that's the reason, so we didn't waste a year or two on a coach who's system doesn't work in the SEC. That's why I said time will tell. I'm just hoping for the best, as all true fans do. Every fan makes excuses for why their team lost a game. I'm not crying about it, just trying to make sense of it. And Chris Leak being as mobile as Alex Smith is an opinion. Do you know both of their 40 times? Alex Smith must have done something right to be drafted 1st in the NFL Draft. Will Chris Leak even go in the first round? And watching him play in college, he definitely looked more mobile. Anyway, thank you for your opinion. Good Luck VOLS! :rock:

 

[volbrian]

Originally posted by volbrian@Oct 2, 2005 9:20 PM
NCGATORBAIT

And what kinda of coach is he when he takes his team up against a GOOD, balanced team and gets shellacked by 4 TDs?  I called it bro.  a GOOD team exposed UF for what they are.  A paper champion on defense (that took advantage of what we already know-UT is lacking on offense) and an old broken down offense that wont last in the SEC. 

1 down and at least, 2 to go.  :biggrin2:

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Make that, 2 down and at least 1 to go! :biggrin2:

 

[mexicanjunkie]

Originally posted by volbrian@Oct 3, 2005 2:54 PM
You sound like a pretty knowledgable gator fan.  Its gonna be fun talkin some football with ya. 

Now, think back if ya will.  How long did you give Zook before you jumped off his bandwagon?  A couple of 8 win seasons?  Or, losing to another MSU type team (cellar dweller)?

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I don't think there ever was a Zook bandwagon, everybody wanted him out as soon as he was hired.

 

[volbrian]

The only people who didnt get on the Zook bandwagon was the press. No, they werent as excited about him as they are/were Meyer, but they kept saying "give em time and let him get his players in here"

Sound familiar?

 

[mexicanjunkie]

No it doesn't sound familiar, all I remember is that on campus everybody was saying who the **** is this guy?

Zook was never a fan favorite, if you don't remember he was the special teams coach under SOS and nobody liked him from then. TRUST ME.

 

[OrangeAndBlue]

And what exactly is the point of bringing up something that a Gator fan said about his own team back up in his face, when it had nothing to do with your team...I guess there's nothing left to bash in Tennessee...

Urban is a smart coach, he's not just going to sit there and keep trying at something that obviously isn't working in the league [or dear god at least i hope so]. Give him time, he will adjust.

 

[NCGatorBait]

Originally posted by volbrian@Oct 15, 2005 8:52 PM
Make that, 2 down and at least 1 to go!    :biggrin2:

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What? I called atleast 3 losses this yr for UF..not sure what the big deal is about this. As far as the Bama game goes they will not play that good the rest of the yr and UF will not play that bad.

UF has improved, just a lil banged up now..they could have folded their tents against LSU but didn't came back and had a chance to win it...thats all you can ask. BTW, the Zooker got took to the shed 36-7 at home in his first game against LSU. UF will be fine.

BTW volbrian you act like this offense is the old wishbone..you seem like a pretty smart poster that would realize this is the spread option..two different offenses.

 

[volbrian]

Funny, but when I told you UF would lose at least 3 games, I was met by your comment I have on my sig line. Instead of agreeing with me, you had nothing but scorn for my opinion. You even questioned how much I knew about football.

Truth hurts doesnt it? I was dead on target. UF beat UT because of UTs problems. NOT because of UFs offense or defense. That was what brought all of this up.

So now, who is the one who called it and who is the one who didnt know what he was talking about?

Just in case you have forgotten the thread, here's a link. .

 

[NCGatorBait]

How was my comment scorn? I mentioned it's possible they lose 3 games..that they played 3 more top 7 teams at the time and that I liked what I saw in Meyer that he changed his strategy for the UT game.

Not sure why this would bother you so much to start a thread about it unless you still feel bad about getting beat by UF or something? Or you are deflecting on how underachieving UT has been this yr??