Just a note to a Gator fan

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Originally posted by volbrian@Oct 16, 2005 12:16 PM
  UF beat UT because of UTs problems.  NOT because of UFs offense or defense.  That was what brought all of this up. 
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BTW maybe I should use your logic and say that UF didn't lose to LSU yesterday..only that LSU won because of UF's offensive problems with its new system? :lol: :lol:
 
#27
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Be my guest! But as I said, UF isnt that good and it looks like, yet again, beating UT is the highlight of your season (and since UT is headed for a mediocre season-thats not saying much).

So go ahead and brag how your great UF defense shut down the UT offense.

:lol: :lolabove: :lol: :lolabove:
 
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Originally posted by NCGatorBait@Oct 16, 2005 11:27 AM
How was my comment scorn? I mentioned it's possible they lose 3 games..that they played 3 more top 7 teams at the time and that I liked what I saw in Meyer that he changed his strategy for the UT game.

Not sure why this would bother you so much to start a thread about it unless you still feel bad about getting beat by UF or something? Or you are deflecting on how underachieving UT has been this yr??
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Go back and actually read the thread and you will see the scorn. The scorn isnt in what is on my sig line. You just found it inconceivable that UTs offense MADE the UF defense look good.

Do I feel bad we got beat by UF? Yep. But then, I feel bad every time we lose. Point is you met my opinion with your own, and it now looks like I knew a lot more about what I was talking about than you did.
 
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Originally posted by volbrian@Oct 16, 2005 12:41 PM
Be my guest!  But as I said,  UF isnt that good and it looks like, yet again, beating UT is the highlight of your season (and since UT is headed for a mediocre season-thats not saying much). 
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Too early to call...a win over the Dawgs or Noles could be the highlight...but the UT win should have been considering they are coming off an SECCG appearance last season with a young team and great recruiting class...ranked #3 with talk of a NC. But, it appears UT has more to worry about than UF at this point so good luck against Bama!
 
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A win over the Noles would not mean so much now they lost to Ole' Virginia. (Not mean as much as a quality win). But I hear you gators like beating FSU for the fun of it, no matter how they are raned in the season. So for a haha perspective, I guess it would be the highlight if you lose to UGA and beat FSU.
 
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Originally posted by USAF_Vol@Oct 16, 2005 12:52 PM
A win over the Noles would not mean so much now they lost to Ole' Virginia.  (Not mean as much as a quality win).  But I hear you gators like beating FSU for the fun of it, no matter how they are raned in the season.  So for a haha perspective, I guess it would be the highlight if you lose to UGA and beat FSU.
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A Noles win is more important than most think....mostly for the recruiting battles which lie ahead in the state of Florida..it always helps.
 
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Originally posted by NCGatorBait@Oct 16, 2005 11:49 AM
Too early to call...a win over the Dawgs or Noles could be the highlight...but the UT win should have been considering they are coming off an SECCG appearance last season with a young team and great recruiting class...ranked #3 with talk of a NC. But, it appears UT has more to worry about than UF at this point so good luck against Bama!
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Beating the Dawgs or noles???

Ok, thats funny right there :biggrin2:
 
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The UF offense, much like UT's, has not improved since the beginning of the year. Not to be negative, but one difference is that UF is implementing a new offense. UT isn't.

Having said that, I really don't see much changing with the UF offense over the next few years, other than their oline possibly getting better. I can see UT's offense getting better, because most of our problems are execution of the same offense these same players have running since they have been there.

If I were a UF fan, I would be happy with the defense. They have played well, save for one game. UM has played the defense/kicking game chess match fairly well in close games. I do think, however, that the lack of a power running game will hurt in the long run, however. That problem has only begun to rear it's head, IMO.

Both UF and UT have proven this year that you can't win if you can't run.
 
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Originally posted by orangetd88@Oct 16, 2005 12:19 PM
The UF offense, much like UT's, has not improved since the beginning of the year.  Not to be negative, but one difference is that UF is implementing a new offense.  UT isn't.

Having said that, I really don't see much changing with the UF offense over the next few years, other than their oline possibly getting better.  I can see UT's offense getting better, because most of our problems are execution of the same offense these same players have running since they have been there.

If I were a UF fan, I would be happy with the defense.  They have played well, save for one game.  UM has played the defense/kicking game chess match fairly well in close games.  I do think, however, that the lack of a power running game will hurt in the long run, however.  That problem has only begun to rear it's head, IMO.

Both UF and UT have proven this year that you can't win if you can't run.
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Exactly right and dead on assessment. To run Meyer's offense, we have got to go out and get some much bigger linemen than UF traditionally gets.

There is a reason Florida has not had much success with that in the past -- its always been a pass-happy program and the best offensive linemen who want NFL $ are more likely to get noticed if they play strong in a pro-style running offense than what Florida has always offered up in the past, which is a speedy receiving corps making acrobatic catches.

When is the last time you heard the announcers talking about a Gator offensive lineman versus the last time they talked about a world class sprinter who makes leaping catches for UF?

 
#37
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Originally posted by lawgator1@Oct 16, 2005 3:54 PM
Exactly right and dead on assessment.  To run Meyer's offense, we have got to go out and get some much bigger linemen than UF traditionally gets.

There is a reason Florida has not had much success with that in the past -- its always been a pass-happy program and the best offensive linemen who want NFL $ are more likely to get noticed if they play strong in a pro-style running offense than what Florida has always offered up in the past, which is a speedy receiving corps making acrobatic catches.

When is the last time you heard the announcers talking about a Gator offensive lineman versus the last time they talked about a world class sprinter who makes leaping catches for UF?
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UT has plenty of beefy lineman, but they are too slow to get to linebackers and SS. Be careful what you wish for.
 
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seems like it used to be, or was at least talked up a few tears back...how the Vols had great blocking wide outs on run plays. Could it be thats not the case anymore instead of it simply being our line guys too slow?
 
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Originally posted by dan4vols@Oct 16, 2005 4:40 PM
seems like it used to be, or was at least talked up a few tears back...how the Vols had great blocking wide outs on run plays. Could it be thats not the case anymore instead of it simply being our line guys too slow?
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Combination of slow olineman, and an unproven QB that can't burn you deep. Whatever the reason, UT is obviously not getting hats on linebackers.
 
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Originally posted by lawgator1@Oct 16, 2005 3:54 PM
Exactly right and dead on assessment.  To run Meyer's offense, we have got to go out and get some much bigger linemen than UF traditionally gets.

There is a reason Florida has not had much success with that in the past -- its always been a pass-happy program and the best offensive linemen who want NFL $ are more likely to get noticed if they play strong in a pro-style running offense than what Florida has always offered up in the past, which is a speedy receiving corps making acrobatic catches.

When is the last time you heard the announcers talking about a Gator offensive lineman versus the last time they talked about a world class sprinter who makes leaping catches for UF?
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The difference between the pass-happy Spurrier offense and the UM offense is that Spurrier could slow the game down and run the ball when he wanted to. I'm not sure that type of change of pace is there with your offense now.
 
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Originally posted by orangetd88@Oct 16, 2005 10:00 PM
The difference between the pass-happy Spurrier offense and the UM offense is that Spurrier could slow the game down and run the ball when he wanted to.  I'm not sure that type of change of pace is there with your offense now.
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I don't know if you watched the UF/LSU game, but the run game was not the problem. DeShawn Wynn carried the ball 16 times for like 95 yards(5.8 yards per carry) and 1 TD. Kestahn Moore broke a 32 yard TD run. We had about 150 yards rushing against a good rush defense. Our problem in that game is Leak didn't get much pass protection and couldn't keep the ball down. 11 for 30 isn't good for a High School QB. Some of that might have had to do with his shoulder, but the passing attack was pathetic. I think the running portion of the spread option is starting to come along. I'm going to call it now, we beat Georgia by 2 TDs. A week off to get our guys healthy is just what we need. I was worried about the LSU game and rightly so, but we will own UGA and get back into the race for the SECCG. :rock:
 
#42
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Originally posted by GatorsN07@Oct 17, 2005 3:50 PM
I don't know if you watched the UF/LSU game, but the run game was not the problem.  DeShawn Wynn carried the ball 16 times for like 95 yards(5.8 yards per carry) and 1 TD.  Kestahn Moore broke a 32 yard TD run.  We had about 150 yards rushing against a good rush defense.  Our problem in that game is Leak didn't get much pass protection and couldn't keep the ball down.  11 for 30 isn't good for a High School QB.  Some of that might have had to do with his shoulder, but the passing attack was pathetic.  I think the running portion of the spread option is starting to come along.  I'm going to call it now, we beat Georgia by 2 TDs.  A week off to get our guys healthy is just what we need.  I was worried about the LSU game and rightly so, but we will own UGA and get back into the race for the SECCG. :rock:
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I agree that the running backs looked at least adequate in that game. But Leak is no threat to run in this offense and as a consequence any benefit of lining up in that type of formation is moot. With this personnel, a drop back protection scheme is much more likely to be effective both in terms of Wynn and in terms of giving Leak enough time to find the open guy.

Don't abandon the spread option when the right guys are at UF. but they aren't right now and that's a fact.
 
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Originally posted by lawgator1@Oct 17, 2005 3:55 PM
I agree that the running backs looked at least adequate in that game.  But Leak is no threat to run in this offense and as a consequence any benefit of lining up in that type of formation is moot.  With this personnel, a drop back protection scheme is much more likely to be effective both in terms of Wynn and in terms of giving Leak enough time to find the open guy.

Don't abandon the spread option when the right guys are at UF.  but they aren't right now and that's a fact.
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I agree with that. Leak is much more suited to run a passing attack. However, unfortunately for Leak, Meyer is trying to prepare his team for the future and Leak is stuck in the middle trying to run Meyer's offense. I definitely think Leak has handled everything with class even though he's had the crap kicked out of him just about every week. If I were Meyer I would install the system slowly and try to suit Leak's abilities right now. It appears he's trying to do that but not slow enough.
 
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