Kansas not taking a wait and see approach

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DeepSpringsVol said:
I agree with this. During last conference realignment talk of West Virginia was schools thought it was unfair with their academic standards that WVU could get athletes in others couldn't. If that is an issue why hasn't WVU dominated. They are a good program but they are absolutely not world beatera and if they played in a better conference they wouldn't all of a sudden win many championships.
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They have die hard supporters. They’ll always have some value because of that. But their problem is that WV is a poor state with no recruiting base. They’re lucky to get into the ACC now. Long term, I think they’re toast.
 
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wmcovol said:
O$U says, "Hell yeah"

Kansas offers nothing but a filthy basketball program.....
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That in turn is part of the problem for Kansas finding a home. Basketball doesn’t make nearly as much money as football does.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Texas got greedy and ran off A&M and NU.
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Well, A&M and Mizzou.

A very big part of the reason Nebraska and Colorado initially ran off in 2010 was because the Big 12’s original revenue sharing model rewarded teams higher percentages of the TV contract money and bowl revenue based on how they performed that year instead of sharing it equally with every team…which helped make the amounts the Big 10 and Pac 12 had been projecting when talking to the two so much more more appealing.
 
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hog88 said:
B10 goes after a TX team, probably Baylor.
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I hate to disappoint you, but if there’s no more Big 12, then Baylor is probably looking at an AAC or MWC membership.

(presuming that the Big 12 doesn’t invite a bunch of small schools to try to stop the bleeding and become another AAC-type conference itself.)
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I don't THINK Baylor is an AAU school which has historically mattered to the B1G. At one time ND wasn't AAU either. I could be wrong but Nebraska....... might not be or have been AAU when they hit the B1G.

Traditions get trampled but that's an odd one they've held on to up there for some reason.
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Nebraska was when it joined/was accepted in 2010, but it lost AAU membership after it was in the conference (August of 2011, specifically related to matters of competitive research financing and a less amount of faculty in the National Academies….Its medical school is under a separate administrative structure, so the research dollars it brings in are not counted. And as a land-grant institution, Nebraska has about a quarter of its faculty involved in agriculture and extension work, and most financing for agricultural research is noncompetitive and does not count heavily.)
 
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BigOrangeAl 1979 said:
I hope they do they still bring alot to the table with their basketball program.
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True, but to be fair, they don’t need to be in a power 5 football conference to still be a prominent player when it comes to college basketball. Programs that left and made their own Big East, for example, are still extremely prominent.

Their football program would be the ones drastically hurt, though.
 
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butchna said:
Unless they can beat a Longhorn or Sooner…then you have to register them as dangerous. Big 10 would make more money off that fanbase than Mizzou…without driving an extra mile. It’s a done deal.
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Not true. Look, I like Iowa State, but Missouri’s population is double Iowa’s (6 million vs 3 million). Not to mention - along with the Big 10 pretty much already owning Iowa, and this it already being factored into their current contracts - St. Louis and Kansas City are the 23rd and 34th largest markets in the country, whereas Iowa’s largest markets fall around Des Moines at 68th and Iowa City at 92nd (which again, are likely already factored into the Big 10’s media deals).

The money from adding something like a Missouri from the TV/media contracts alone dwarfs anything a conference would make off of a riled up (or underdog darling) Iowa State in the footprint the conference already owned.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Somebody gets the "you're about to get cut" conversation.

"Hello, Vandy. You know, son, I've really enjoyed seeing your progress over the last few years. It's inspiring how hard you've worked....... but not everyone is meant to play SEC ball......."
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The conference is never going to throw out a founding institution. Not to mention - since the conferences and university presidents (who are the ones who actually make the decisions) - love academics to tout conference AAU member numbers and such every year, Vanderbilt’s going nowhere.
 
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butchna said:
And a natural rival in the same state. It’s not an either/or.
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It’s not an either/or but the other has to actually bring something to the table for it to be worth the conference’s while.

Whoever they add has to split the same total pie with everyone else. If that pie doesn’t get significantly larger, then the everyone just ends up getting less of a piece. And at best Iowa State would only make it slightly bigger.
 
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TrueOrange said:
It’s not an either/or but the other has to actually bring something to the table for it to be worth the conference’s while.

Whoever they add has to split the same total pie with everyone else. If that pie doesn’t get significantly larger, then the everyone just ends up getting less of a piece. And at best Iowa State would only make it slightly bigger.
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It’s not like adding North Dakota State. They don’t go backwards and they’re already within the conference. Guess we’ll see.
 
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wmcovol said:
I think Mizzou would go into Big10 if given the opportunity
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I wonder if someone *coughFoxcough* is running the numbers on Mizzou and Kansas going to the B1G? They're kinda useless to the B1G separately but together they have some rivalry and might draw enough StL, KCity, maybe even some NE, lower IL eyeballs.

I can't put it past the B1G to gloat a little if they poached an SEC team.

I'm not kidding myself, it's all about the numbers but Kansas needs a little "value added" to get in the B1G IMO and a Missouri kicker might be it?
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I wonder if someone *coughFoxcough* is running the numbers on Mizzou and Kansas going to the B1G? They're kinda useless to the B1G separately but together they have some rivalry and might draw enough StL, KCity, maybe even some NE, lower IL eyeballs.

I can't put it past the B1G to gloat a little if they poached an SEC team.

I'm not kidding myself, it's all about the numbers but Kansas needs a little "value added" to get in the B1G IMO and a Missouri kicker might be it?
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IMO, the B1G won't want Mizzou for the same reasons we don't want them. They bring nothing to the table. Tiny, stupid, non-big boy football stadium, no tradition, and a market that's not driven by college football.

Kansas stands a better chance of going it alone into the B1G, just based on basketball.
 
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volsfan_17 said:
IMO, the B1G won't want Mizzou for the same reasons we don't want them. They bring nothing to the table. Tiny, stupid, non-big boy football stadium, no tradition, and a market that's not driven by college football.

Kansas stands a better chance of going it alone into the B1G, just based on basketball.
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You may be right but I'm not sure the B1G wants Kansas either because splitting their football money another way for a worthless football team just dilutes the value of the football brand.

Granted, they bring basketball and AAU status but I'm not convinced that's enough.

Imagine trying to recruit to the Big 12 right now? Ugh. Which is why TX and OU want out to play in the SEC ASAP.... because every unknown day of when they'll play SEC ball hurts recruiting badly.

All of this starts to remind me of the March Madness "bubble" but the stakes are millions and the future of programs. I was going to get popcorn to watch...... but this may require whiskey.
 
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College basketball is going to be interesting. Gonzaga's of the world will
Be screwed. 4 16 team super conferences is 64 teams. CBS and Turner pay the NCAA One billion dollars. The super conferences will tell the ncaa to buzz of and will make their own tourney for that kind of money.
 
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volfanhill said:
College basketball is going to be interesting. Gonzaga's of the world will
Be screwed. 4 16 team super conferences is 64 teams. CBS and Turner pay the NCAA One billion dollars. The super conferences will tell the ncaa to buzz of and will make their own tourney for that kind of money.
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Gonzaga and friends need to form a basketball superconference on their own. Eventually Duke will get abandoned or at least pushed aside by the football-focused.
 
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