Kenny Britt shows support for Vince Young in the Titans/Colts game.

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Has anyone seen the picture of Britt's towell during the Titans/Colts game tonight. Darren MacFarland shared it on Facebook. I guess he could be supporting an injured player, but I tend to take it as Fisher has last the players.
 

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It is such a bad situation. If the players want VY, they won't respond to a coach who exiles him; however, what coach shouldn't shun a player that acted as VY has on and off the field (specifically taunting the fans and throwing the equipment)

The QB needs to be a leader, VY is not. The coach needs to have total control of his squad, Fisher does not.

For the record, I stay with Fisher one more year over VY. If Adams and Co. side with a player over a coach, that will be a trend that will only demolish a fading franchise. I do not think Fisher is our answer, but I could care less to see Vy back under center without a complete turnaround of his attitude and leadership.
 
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They'll respond if VY is gone and Fisher is still there. They will have no choice or they will understand that they will be gone too. Or vice versa... This drama needs to go. Now. I don't care which way they slice it. I'd prefer VY to head back to being the King of Austin though. Sure he has a winning record. When he wants to play...
 
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Mr_Henley said:
It is such a bad situation. If the players want VY, they won't respond to a coach who exiles him; however, what coach shouldn't shun a player that acted as VY has on and off the field (specifically taunting the fans and throwing the equipment)

The QB needs to be a leader, VY is not. The coach needs to have total control of his squad, Fisher does not.

For the record, I stay with Fisher one more year over VY. If Adams and Co. side with a player over a coach, that will be a trend that will only demolish a fading franchise. I do not think Fisher is our answer, but I could care less to see Vy back under center without a complete turnaround of his attitude and leadership.
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I agree with you in regards to how Young reacted. He didn't act professional and does not act as a leader. But, if the players are taking his side, it indicates the players agreed with whatever beef Young had with Fisher. If Fisher has lost the players, then there's no reason to stay with him another year. If the players don't respect Fisher, Fisher will never be able to get them under control.
 
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BJSforVols said:
I agree with you in regards to how Young reacted. He didn't act professional and does not act as a leader. But, if the players are taking his side, it indicates the players agreed with whatever beef Young had with Fisher. If Fisher has lost the players, then there's no reason to stay with him another year. If the players don't respect Fisher, Fisher will never be able to get them under control.
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And when the players run the show, which would be the main thing some would take from Vince Young forcing Jeff Fisher out, no coach could easily step in and gain their trust and assert any authority. The Titans are already undisciplined enough. They might both need to go.
 
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I'm too the point where I say get rid of both of them and blow the entire damn team up and start from scratch.
 
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Mr_Henley said:
It is such a bad situation. If the players want VY, they won't respond to a coach who exiles him; however, what coach shouldn't shun a player that acted as VY has on and off the field (specifically taunting the fans and throwing the equipment)

The QB needs to be a leader, VY is not. The coach needs to have total control of his squad, Fisher does not.

For the record, I stay with Fisher one more year over VY. If Adams and Co. side with a player over a coach, that will be a trend that will only demolish a fading franchise. I do not think Fisher is our answer, but I could care less to see Vy back under center without a complete turnaround of his attitude and leadership.
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exactly. not doing that in that situation was the same kind of lack of discipline that everyone was having issues with Fulmer saying "he'd lost the team" with



Also apparently after all that outside stuff, the inside the locker room thing was storming out of the locker room, coach said "don't quit on this team," Young said "No I'm quitting on you you [string of about 5 or 6 profanities]
 
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BJSforVols said:
I agree with you in regards to how Young reacted. He didn't act professional and does not act as a leader. But, if the players are taking his side, it indicates the players agreed with whatever beef Young had with Fisher. If Fisher has lost the players, then there's no reason to stay with him another year. If the players don't respect Fisher, Fisher will never be able to get them under control.
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watch for when this changes from last weekend:

Too easy to say Titans have quit - AFC South Blog - ESPN

NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- The buzz here in the wake of a 17-6 loss to the Jacksonville Jaguars is that the Tennessee Titans have quit on Jeff Fisher.

I think people who think that don’t really understand what quitting means and mistake ineffectiveness for lack of effort. They must not have seen Dallas under Wade Phillips or Minnesota under Brad Childress, which is quite a bit different than Fisher's Titans against Jacksonville.

A good share of the Titans still played hard in the second half of Sunday’s rout. The Titans didn’t give up a point.

“This team didn’t quit, they didn’t give up a point in the second half,” Fisher said at his Monday press conference. “They got a third-down stop, they blocked a field goal and they played hard. We just didn’t make the plays.”

Michael Griffin doesn’t get embarrassingly stiff-armed by Maurice Jones-Drew right near the end of the game if he’s not chasing in the first place. Not chasing is quitting. Getting pushed aside by an excellent player who's having a great day is different.

There may be a handful of guys who realize their fate with the team is sealed and aren’t going all out.

But a team quitting is a pretty rare thing in the league. If players put that on film, they know this coach or the other 31 in the league will ultimately see it. The Titans roster may be loaded with guys who aren’t that good, but I think they understand the concept of their weekly resumes.

So I believe Chris Hope, who missed too many tackles. I believe Stephen Tulloch, who was credited with 17.

“No sir, by no means do I believe Fisher has lost this team or that guys have quit,” Hope said. “We had plenty of opportunities to quit this game and we made it a game, we had a chance to actually come back. A few balls bounce the right way on the offensive side of the ball and it’s a ball game. That just lets you know right then and there that we haven’t quit.”

“We’ve got a great group of guys here that would give anything they have for one other,” Tulloch said. “We’re not quitting. We’re going to keep fighting to find a way to win.”

And why would a Bo Scaife or a Nate Washington bail on Fisher when, in assessing their drops on Monday, the coach tried to explain them away by saying “it wasn’t an easy day to catch the football with the weather the way it was?”

The game book says it was 35 degrees with a 26-degree wind chill and winds of 11 miles an hour at LP Field.

It's a good thing Scaife and Washington weren’t playing in Cincinnati, Green Bay, Kansas City, New York or Baltimore -- NFL venues that had lower temperatures and wind chills and higher winds than Nashville on Sunday.
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It was seen in the Dallas situation earlier this year, when any interviews where whenever a question about Wade was brought up, no matter who it was the player said "I'm not going to say anything about that." That's when you've lost the team.



That said, isn't Britt also good friends with Young anyways? (not just team comradory). Again you need to see more than just this one incident and see more players repeatedly dodging questions before one starts declaring that whole "lost" thing.
 
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hm, I think the analyst noted this one well actually:

Vince Young (Houston,TX)


Is the swing from 5-2 to 5-7 and from the offense with the highest PPG in the NFL to one of the lowest evidence that I am a more important piece of the offense in Tennessee than people give me credit for?

Paul Kuharsky (3:05 PM)


Nope. Your inability to lead has helped produce these results even if you haven't been playing. You helped create the situation and atmosphere. It's about more than Sundays, Chief.
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http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/35886/nfl-with-paul-kuharsky
 
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I'm just hoping Bud pulls his head out of his a55 and realizes that he has a chance to trade Fisher at the end of the year and get some draft picks. If we fire him we can't get those picks, he has to be under contract.
 
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I'm a Jeff Fisher fan. Should he be fired? I'm not sure. I've always stuck with Fisher and I certainly respect those opinions that disagree with me on that. I've never been a Vince Young fan. I'll go on the record to say that I wanted the Titans to draft Leinart. That would have been a bust, obviously. Vince was having his most accurate year as a passer this year. He was really impressing me. That said, how can the team choose Young? The same Young that cried when fans booed him off the field and thought about suicide a few years ago? The same Young who was supposed to have "changed" after the strip club incident? The same Young who walked out on his teammates earlier this year? In the end, I think Fisher will be fired and Adams will choose Young and I can't defend Fisher. As a coach, he's been inmature over the entire ordeal, but how can you put faith in a quarterback that shows he's mentally weak and has quit on his coaches, teams, and fans numerous times?
 
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If they were smart they'd trade him and get as much out of him as possible this off season. That's if they were smart. Bud Adams for some reason thinks Vince can lead a team when he's clearly showed he can't. We're screwed.
 
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TennesseeFan07 said:
He probably has zero value right now. There isn't many contending teams with a demand for a quarterback.
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Maybe no contending teams need a QB, but there are several others I can think of that could use a player like VY.

- Panthers
- Dolphins
- Browns
- Jaguars
- Raiders
- Vikings
- Browns
- Cardinals
- Seahawks
- 49ers
- Titans
 
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Well i for one don't want to see him under center for the Titans again. I'd say i'm not alone in that sentiment.
 
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CardassianVol said:
And when the players run the show, which would be the main thing some would take from Vince Young forcing Jeff Fisher out, no coach could easily step in and gain their trust and assert any authority. The Titans are already undisciplined enough. They might both need to go.
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Agreed. It's starting to look like it's time to blow the entire organization up and start over with fresh management and players that will have new attitudes. The only problem is Bud is old and probably against taking the extra time required with starting over.
 
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TrueOrange said:
watch for when this changes from last weekend:

Too easy to say Titans have quit - AFC South Blog - ESPN




It was seen in the Dallas situation earlier this year, when any interviews where whenever a question about Wade was brought up, no matter who it was the player said "I'm not going to say anything about that." That's when you've lost the team.



That said, isn't Britt also good friends with Young anyways? (not just team comradory). Again you need to see more than just this one incident and see more players repeatedly dodging questions before one starts declaring that whole "lost" thing.
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Did you hear Chris Johnson in the post game presser? He basically said what you're saying about the decisions by Fisher at the end of the game. He said he would have done different, but Fisher is the coach so he has nothing else to say about it.

The entire offense skipped the media after last Sunday's game. The same stuff is going on if you look at the details.
 
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TrueOrange said:
hm, I think the analyst noted this one well actually:



Chat: Chat with Paul Kuharsky - SportsNation - ESPN
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Herm Edwards and the Mark guy that sits with him on ESPN seem to differ from Paul. I'd say those two know quite a bit more than Cowardsky.

It was funny last night when Herm said Jeff looks old and he feels old. He said I know because I've looked and felt like Jeff does right now.
 
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I think Fisher made up his mind the minute Adams backed Young. It's a terrible thing for Titans fans. Lose the coach and you're left with a cry baby for a QB and a senile owner that's doing his best Al Davis impersonation. Either way the fans lose in this one.
 
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TennesseeFan07 said:
I'm a Jeff Fisher fan. Should he be fired? I'm not sure. I've always stuck with Fisher and I certainly respect those opinions that disagree with me on that. I've never been a Vince Young fan. I'll go on the record to say that I wanted the Titans to draft Leinart. That would have been a bust, obviously. Vince was having his most accurate year as a passer this year. He was really impressing me. That said, how can the team choose Young? The same Young that cried when fans booed him off the field and thought about suicide a few years ago? The same Young who was supposed to have "changed" after the strip club incident? The same Young who walked out on his teammates earlier this year? In the end, I think Fisher will be fired and Adams will choose Young and I can't defend Fisher. As a coach, he's been inmature over the entire ordeal, but how can you put faith in a quarterback that shows he's mentally weak and has quit on his coaches, teams, and fans numerous times?
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If there are things going on behind closed doors which make the players agree with what Young feels towards Fisher, I could see the team choosing Young over Fisher. They may feel he's right in what he feels but still shouldn't act like a hot head.
 
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I agree that Young has acted childish in certain situations. But the bottom line is that the team was winning with VY, and now that he's not in there, the Titans are losing. I can see how the players could feel upset with Fisher.
 
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I've been down on Fisher since the Ravens loss. This whole thing with Vince was the last straw for me. If they can play together, great. If not, so long Jeff Fisher. I choose you Pikachu. And by Pikachu, I mean Vince Young.

I said before the season even started that Fisher should win a playoff game or be fired. Not even going to finish .500. Sorry guys but you're probably not going to get your wish in keeping Jeff Fisher. If you don't want to watch VY next year, then I'd advise not watching Titans games. There is a good chance he will be the starting QB in Tennessee.

Here is where 10 people come in and say how Vince is a headcase, selfish, sucks etc.
 
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