Kenny Britt shows support for Vince Young in the Titans/Colts game.

#51
#51
Two 6 game losing streaks in two straight years shouldn't happen and is worthy of a firing. Young is in my opinion not the answer, they need a ton of upgrade defensively. Looking at possibly a new coach, new system next year. Doesn't look promising at all.
 
#52
#52
The_Orange_Pearl said:
I've been down on Fisher since the Ravens loss. This whole thing with Vince was the last straw for me. If they can play together, great. If not, so long Jeff Fisher. I choose you Pikachu. And by Pikachu, I mean Vince Young.

I said before the season even started that Fisher should win a playoff game or be fired. Not even going to finish .500. Sorry guys but you're probably not going to get your wish in keeping Jeff Fisher. If you don't want to watch VY next year, then I'd advise not watching Titans games. There is a good chance he will be the starting QB in Tennessee.

Here is where 10 people come in and say how Vince is a headcase, selfish, sucks etc.
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Although I'm undecided if I want VY back or not, I'm with you on Fisher and want him gone. With that said, I'm concerned the potential to have the lockout (or stike - whichever way it is) may cause Bud to avoid firing the coach even though he typically would.
 
#53
#53
The_Orange_Pearl said:
fyp

VY has only started one full season and he made the playoffs.

Fisher has had 17 years and has a record of .500

Jeff Fisher is willing to lose without VY than win with him. Who is the real egomaniac in that scenario?
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Agreed, and I think he has given Vince that feel ever since Vince was drafted or at least since the mental break down. I think the way Fisher has made Young feel invaluable to the organization has a lot to do with Vince's blow up. I think it was one of those deals where a person finally blows up after taking enough sh@#.
 
#54
#54
JokermanVol said:
it's interesting to me that most people who don't particularly like the titans generally side with fisher on this and consider young to be the main problem, but the opinion seems to go the other way with titans fans.
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Non titan fans don't see the in and outs of the organization beings they don't follow the team. All they do is see the highlights. It's really not too surprising when you think about it that way.
 
#56
#56
volsfan75 said:
I really doubt that Fisher didn't try to work with Young. He knows he is the best option; you just can't trust him.
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I'm not so sure. I think Fisher has been agianst working 100% with VY since he was drafted beings VY wasn't his pick. I think he has used him because he had to but never gave him 100% support.
 
#57
#57
NYYVol said:
The first point is where you throw it Adams feet. The whole organization is ran like a third rate brothel.
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Agreed. Outside of drafting CJ, the draft history over the past few years of this team is garbage.

Pacman, Brandon Jones, Courtney Roby, Roydell Williams, Damien Nash, Daniel Loper, Reynaldo Hill, LenDale White, Calvin Lowry, Spencer Toone, Quinton Ganther, Chris Henry, Paul Williams, Chris Davis, Antonio Johnson, Joel Filani, Ryan Smith, Mike Otto, Lavelle Hawkins, Stanford Keglar, Cary Williams.
 
#58
#58
orangetanker11 said:
Agreed. Outside of drafting CJ, the draft history over the past few years of this team is garbage.

Pacman, Brandon Jones, Courtney Roby, Roydell Williams, Damien Nash, Daniel Loper, Reynaldo Hill, LenDale White, Calvin Lowry, Spencer Toone, Quinton Ganther, Chris Henry, Paul Williams, Chris Davis, Antonio Johnson, Joel Filani, Ryan Smith, Mike Otto, Lavelle Hawkins, Stanford Keglar, Cary Williams.
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But y'all needed o-line help?
 
#59
#59
JokermanVol said:
it's interesting to me that most people who don't particularly like the titans generally side with fisher on this and consider young to be the main problem, but the opinion seems to go the other way with titans fans.
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On here maybe, but most Titan fans I know don't want Young back and more and more want Fisher gone. And quite a few think Adams is a senile old fart.
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#60
#60
orangetanker11 said:
You can if the other options at your disposal are much worse.

I see your point, though. Both parties are at fault.
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they are

but i mean if vince had been on any other team and decided to call the coach a list of 5 or 6 profanities in a row before before storming out, he'd be off that team so fast it'd make his :loco:
 
#61
#61
BJSforVols said:
I'm not so sure. I think Fisher has been agianst working 100% with VY since he was drafted beings VY wasn't his pick. I think he has used him because he had to but never gave him 100% support.
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Michael (Tennessee)

WHy give Fisher another 1st round draft pick? Titans best scenario is to get a new coach, address D this draft, and hold on to VY another year to shore up the team before throwing another rookie QB in the fire. Besides that, it would be interesting to see Vince either excell or fall on his face with a coach that supported him.
Paul Kuharsky


(3:17 PM)

This thing where Fisher hasn't supported Vince from Day 1 is garbage. He supported Vince plenty, especially early. At some point every guy has to win the support of his coach. When did Vince do that?
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Michael (Tennessee)

Bottom line is a head coach is supposed to develop the teams talent. Fish wanted Pacman. Fish did not want VY, and he has more hindered him than help him. Is this not two examples of major failure with Fisher? 2 first rounders in a row. How does Fisher avoid all responsibility? Is he head coach? Any other head coach would be feeling the heat. WIthout 1999 two playoff wins in 15 years.
Paul Kuharsky
(3:50 PM)

If I want Sun Chips but there are pretzels in my pantry, it is impossible for me to enjoy the pretzels? Fisher wanted Leinart, but he was fine with any of the three QBs. He thought they would all be good players. Please, please, please trust me on that, It's absolutely true. What sense would it have made for him to hold a grudge and work against VY from Day 1 when his own livelihood was tied to him? None.
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#62
#62
BJSforVols said:
Although I'm undecided if I want VY back or not, I'm with you on Fisher and want him gone. With that said, I'm concerned the potential to have the lockout (or stike - whichever way it is) may cause Bud to avoid firing the coach even though he typically would.
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i doubt it. I personally don't think he's going end up firing him anyways, but if he were going to do it, I'm not sure he would eat up another year paying him when noone's even playing a season (he's front office...I think the owners' peoples still keep getting paid through this)
 
#63
#63
TrueOrange said:
i doubt it. I personally don't think he's going end up firing him anyways, but if he were going to do it, I'm not sure he would eat up another year paying him when noone's even playing a season (he's front office...I think the owners' peoples still keep getting paid through this)
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You may be right. I'm just have the concern based off the media making general statements about all teams and saying it not a good off season for a team to hire a coach due to the potential lock out. They speculate that coaches will have longer leashes this offseason due to this.
 
#64
#64
TrueOrange said:
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Paul Cowardsky spews as much garbage as Oscar the Grouch. He makes statements of his opinion as facts based on sources. If he typically spoke based on sources, the above might carry some weight. When Frank or someone such as Frank who actually has inside knowledge makes a similar statement, you might have a point.

Anyway, I would beg to differ with the Sun Chips/Pretzel analysis. If I want Sun Chips and not Pretzels but only have Sun Chips, I'm probably going to go without the Pretzels and find another way to kick my hunger.

Holding a grudge versus showing support are two different things. I don't think Fisher holds a grudge, and I don't think he trys to make VY fail. I just don't think he ever gave him 100% support and backing. It's sort of like a boss having an employee in which the higher up boss appointed on the staff even though the boss didn't really think he'd be a good fit. The boss may not work against the employee due to being a professional, but he's typically not going to turn to this employee for important duties.
 
#65
#65
BJSforVols said:
You may be right. I'm just have the concern based off the media making general statements about all teams and saying it not a good off season for a team to hire a coach due to the potential lock out. They speculate that coaches will have longer leashes this offseason due to this.
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it won't go that way. The people that are going to get hurt by the lockout are the non-super star players, because they'll be receiving no pay for a year (they or any super stars who blow their entire contract's pay in like 7 months). And the older veteran players (Moss aged, Mawae age, etc) because there's going to be alot of teams very hesitant to throw many at an older player when 1) they have no idea what will happen to said contract with a new CBA and, perhaps more of a worry, 2) with the possibility of no league for up to a year, alot of teams are likely going to stay hesitant on offering pay to someone who, with a year of play lost, might have very little or nothing left following.



If the media was going to make a "keep your coaches" run though, it would likely have already started. We've already seen several coaching changes though on teams this year, so it's kind of difficult to think some deal on that will be made.

I also think, I have to check, but the lockout's mainly between the player's association and the owners/franchises; the NFL coaches and their whatever-they-call-themselves either fall under the coaches side or might just be a third party here
 
#66
#66
BJSforVols said:
Anyway, I would beg to differ with the Sun Chips/Pretzel analysis. If I want Sun Chips and not Pretzels but only have Sun Chips, I'm probably going to go without the Pretzels and find another way to kick my hunger.
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....I'm pretty sure you just completely butchered that there buddy
 
#67
#67
TrueOrange said:
it won't go that way. The people that are going to get hurt by the lockout are the non-super star players, because they'll be receiving no pay for a year (they or any super stars who blow their entire contract's pay in like 7 months). And the older veteran players (Moss aged, Mawae age, etc) because there's going to be alot of teams very hesitant to throw many at an older player when 1) they have no idea what will happen to said contract with a new CBA and, perhaps more of a worry, 2) with the possibility of no league for up to a year, alot of teams are likely going to stay hesitant on offering pay to someone who, with a year of play lost, might have very little or nothing left following.



If the media was going to make a "keep your coaches" run though, it would likely have already started. We've already seen several coaching changes though on teams this year, so it's kind of difficult to think some deal on that will be made.

I also think, I have to check, but the lockout's mainly between the player's association and the owners/franchises; the NFL coaches and their whatever-they-call-themselves either fall under the coaches side or might just be a third party here
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I don't think it was legal reasons related to the lock out. I assumed it was cash flow reasonings with paying a buyout as well as a new coach's contract while having no income for the business.
 
#69
#69
I like kenny Britt alot, he has the tools to be a top 5 WR in the NFL as early as even next year. But Kenny is a moron for supporting a clown that quit on his team, and his coach 2 times. Thats moronic, and I lost a little respect for him with this gutless move
 
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