Kentucky vs Vandy...

#28
#28
Hardwood_fanatic said:
I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, but that is one of the dumbest statements I have ever seen.
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While the upside for the '96 team might be a little lower (solid NBA players vs. potential stars), that's a moot argument because the core of the '11 version won't stay together like the '96 bunch did. Either way, it would be a fun match-up to watch.

Given the lack of quality depth and Marquis Teague's occasional boneheaded (read: freshman) mistakes, I believe the '96 team would probably win a series. If it were a one game take all, anything could happen.
 
#29
#29
Forget the Ky references, i couldn't care less...What about this Vandy team...These same kids have played together for 4 years, besides Jenkins who is in his 3rd year...The last 2 years they started the season ranked really high, and unless something crazy happens, they probably won't make it to the 2nd weekend of the big dance....When it is all over, we should be more proud of our Vols, then Vandy should be of their team...
 
#30
#30
etmccreary said:
While the upside for the '96 team might be a little lower (solid NBA players vs. potential stars), that's a moot argument because the core of the '11 version won't stay together like the '96 bunch did. Either way, it would be a fun match-up to watch.

Given the lack of quality depth and Marquis Teague's occasional boneheaded (read: freshman) mistakes, I believe the '96 team would probably win a series. If it were a one game take all, anything could happen.
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I agree the 96 team would win a series, because Pitino is that much better than Cheatapari. Swap coaches and Pitino would drill that 96 roster by 20+ every time.
 
#31
#31
bamacheats said:
Doubt that. You're a UK fan trying to defend Cheatapari. You're brain dead to think anyone would trade rosters.
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I'm trying to defend Calipari by saying Pitino's 96 team was better? Stupid logic. The 96 roster had 8 NBA future pro's, and played just as much as a team if not more than this years squad.

The people that I know on this site (and used to be on this site) who have sufficient hoops knowledge, know the answer to this question. I don't expect someone that runs from thread to thread using kindergarten arguments and childish words like "cheatapari" to take anything too seriously.
 
#32
#32
etmccreary said:
While the upside for the '96 team might be a little lower (solid NBA players vs. potential stars), that's a moot argument because the core of the '11 version won't stay together like the '96 bunch did. Either way, it would be a fun match-up to watch.

Given the lack of quality depth and Marquis Teague's occasional boneheaded (read: freshman) mistakes, I believe the '96 team would probably win a series. If it were a one game take all, anything could happen.
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That's what I'm trying to explain to skipper, but it seems to go in one ear and out the other. That team was 10 deep, with 5 off the bench who start at any other program. They would run this years squad in a best of 7.
 
#33
#33
Hardwood_fanatic said:
That's what I'm trying to explain to skipper, but it seems to go in one ear and out the other. That team was 10 deep, with 5 off the bench who start at any other program. They would run this years squad in a best of 7.
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With Jones and Lamb staying for (at least) a second year (and playing at a much higher level), and MKG's statement that he isn't leaving early, how do you think it plays out?
1) Who leaves this year and who stays?
2) If any stay this year, how long do they stay?
3) Of next year's class, how many are of the one-and-done variety and how many will be in the program for at least 2 years?
 
#34
#34
etmccreary said:
With Jones and Lamb staying for (at least) a second year (and playing at a much higher level), and MKG's statement that he isn't leaving early, how do you think it plays out?
1) Who leaves this year and who stays?
2) If any stay this year, how long do they stay?
3) Of next year's class, how many are of the one-and-done variety and how many will be in the program for at least 2 years?
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Hard to say. As you said, Gilchrist announced today after the game he was staying, but you can't count on that. Once Cal talks to him and he is projected top 5-8, I don't see it. But, my initial thoughts to mirror your numbers are:

1) A. Certain: Davis is gone, Miller is gone (duh)
B. Can go but may stay: Gilchrist is a top 6 pick in
every mock draft, but seems to lean toward
staying. Jones is going between 14-20. Thats
not where he wants to be, but he will probably
make the jump.
C. Want to go, but probably can't: Teague and Lamb.
Lambs game is set up so well to thrive in college,
but his body frame and overall game doesn't
necessarily translate to the league. Teague is just
nowhere near NBA ready. Someone may take a
second round flyer on him if he went.
D. I think a lot of it depends on next years class. if
Shabazz commits, you might see Gilchrist bolt,
and maybe even Lamb.

2) A. I think MKG, Lamb, and Teague all possibly stay.
MKG can leave when he wants, the other two are
completely dependent upon themselves, and where
their game places them in the next draft, or if they
want to try and play their way onto a roster.

3) Noel and Shabazz (if they commit) are both one and
done if they choose, most likely in the lottery. Poythress has that ability, but will certainly have top 15 choices. Unless something unseen occurs, Cauley and Goodwin are both 3 year players.
 
#35
#35
Hardwood_fanatic said:
Hard to say. As you said, Gilchrist announced today after the game he was staying, but you can't count on that. Once Cal talks to him and he is projected top 5-8, I don't see it. But, my initial thoughts to mirror your numbers are:

1) A. Certain: Davis is gone, Miller is gone (duh)
B. Can go but may stay: Gilchrist is a top 6 pick in
every mock draft, but seems to lean toward
staying. Jones is going between 14-20. Thats
not where he wants to be, but he will probably
make the jump.
C. Want to go, but probably can't: Teague and Lamb.
Lambs game is set up so well to thrive in college,
but his body frame and overall game doesn't
necessarily translate to the league. Teague is just
nowhere near NBA ready. Someone may take a
second round flyer on him if he went.
D. I think a lot of it depends on next years class. if
Shabazz commits, you might see Gilchrist bolt,
and maybe even Lamb.

2) A. I think MKG, Lamb, and Teague all possibly stay.
MKG can leave when he wants, the other two are
completely dependent upon themselves, and where
their game places them in the next draft, or if they
want to try and play their way onto a roster.

3) Noel and Shabazz (if they commit) are both one and
done if they choose, most likely in the lottery. Poythress has that ability, but will certainly have top 15 choices. Unless something unseen occurs, Cauley and Goodwin are both 3 year players.
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't think Teague is anywhere near NBA-ready. His decision-making can be suspect at times (but what freshman's isn't?) and his shot just isn't very good at this point.

Obviously Wiltjer comes back, but for how long? Will he be ready after next year?

Will Twany Beckham contribute any next year?

With Lamb, MKG, Teague, and Wiltjer back for (at least) one more year and the way he continues to recruit, I can see Cal putting together a roster as deep and at least as talented as the '96 squad.
 
#36
#36
I heard the MKG postgame comments. I think that once the emotion of the win wears off, he'll go to the NBA. And I don't really blame him.

Teague would definitely benefit from another year at UK, but he has improved a lot over the last 10 games. His performance in the SECT and the NCAA will really solidify his decision.

In my opinion, Wiltjer has shown some flashes, but I think that he is a 3-4 year player.

Hard to say about Twany. Watched him in the televised practice, and he is less likely to sniff the floor next year with the players coming in. Coach Cal could be overheard saying, "Twany, this is why you don't get more minutes." So, there are definitely some issues there. Might be a coach-ability thing.

You may be right. I know that that '96 squad must have been a nightmare to coach, managing minutes the way that Pitino did. It was a masterful job of managing. Still, I think that he could have won the title not going so deep into the bench. Surprisingly, ginger-head Oliver Simmons logged more minutes than Nazr Mohammed, who has had an extremely long NBA career.
 
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#37
#37
Brian McCat said:
I heard the MKG postgame comments. I think that once the emotion of the win wears off, he'll go to the NBA. And I don't really blame him.

Teague would definitely benefit from another year at UK, but he has improved a lot over the last 10 games. His performance in the SECT and the NCAA will really solidify his decision.

In my opinion, Wiltjer has shown some flashes, but I think that he is a 3-4 year player.

Hard to say about Twany. Watched him in the televised practice, and he is less likely to sniff the floor next year with the players coming in. Coach Cal could be overheard saying, "Twany, this is why you don't get more minutes." So, there are definitely some issues there. Might be a coach-ability thing.

You may be right. I know that that '96 squad must have been a nightmare to coach, managing minutes the way that Pitino did. It was a masterful job of managing. Still, I think that he could have won the title not going so deep into the bench. Surprisingly, ginger-head Oliver Simmons logged more minutes than Nazr Mohammed, who has had an extremely long NBA career.
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I'm afraid that might be the case about MKG. But think how dominant he would be if he stayed 3 years (and developed a better shot)....wow.

Considering how little he has seen the floor this year with the current lack of depth, this isn't a complete surprise. I do hope that he is able to overcome whatever obstacles are keeping him on the bench because he will be the only senior on the roster (if Jon Hood even comes back, he'll be a rs JR, correct?).

Oliver Simmons logged more minutes than Nazr? I absolutely did not know that. Wow...
 
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