Key and Jackson turned the game .....

[Dak1219]

I was Stat checking and 22 turnovers to there 6. So they received 16 more possessions due our sloppy,unawareness of ball security. 7 by our makeshift pg. This has been going on in all of Kellies teams. So what is the fix? Do most of these occur during be pressed? Occur when guards let themselves get trapped in corner or on sideline? It's not amnesia on coaching staff seeing the problem. Oops forgot one. Trying to force passes to the inside with poor technique. Ok over and out.

Auburn has averaged 22.1 against all teams they have played this year. That is their Identity. We had 23 and most were dead-ball turnovers being aggressive to the basket. Aggressive teams tend to have more turnovers. That includes your Uconn's of the world and yes, some of Pat Summitt's more aggressive offensive teams. We currently average 16.8 turnovers per game playing a much tougher schedule than Say LSU. LSU averages 15.3 turnovers per game. Both Teams have offenses that are aggressive to the rim meant to put opponents on their heels. Turnovers will happen.

 

[Coach Jumper]

Key played most of the Second half last night and Auburn was only able to shoot 25% in the Second half. Their coaching staff said they stopped being aggressive to the rim in the second half and that was the turning point. Just Key's presence makes everyone rethink themselves about trying to get to the rim on offense. Those 3 blocks last night were nice to see, but also how she changed the mentality of Auburn's attack on offense. She makes a huge difference. I will say this, If Pucket doesn't start producing, the coaching staff needs to maybe play Stiplin a little more at the 4 spot even with Tamari in the game. Karolyn has been and continues to be a bright spot for this team offensively and on the glass.

Key is a Dikembe ,,,all she needs is to wag the fingers
Agree also with Karo / Puckett

jazzy, Spear, Karo, Rickea and Tamari is a very frightening potential lineup

 

[Vol4gzus]

Auburn has averaged 22.1 against all teams they have played this year. That is their Identity. We had 23 and most were dead-ball turnovers being aggressive to the basket. Aggressive teams tend to have more turnovers. That includes your Uconn's of the world and yes, some of Pat Summitt's more aggressive offensive teams. We currently average 16.8 turnovers per game playing a much tougher schedule than Say LSU. LSU averages 15.3 turnovers per game. Both Teams have offenses that are aggressive to the rim meant to put opponents on their heels. Turnovers will happen.

Sadly the issue has cost less Lady Vols close games or blowouts. Tooooooo many! There is no justification for the poor level of ball security. Dawn,go away I'm no good for you, Staley has a team that appears to make it a priority to minimize turnovers without forfeiting alot of points. No excuse for, as Pat would say, not valuing each possession.

 

[Dak1219]

Sadly the issue has cost less Lady Vols close games or blowouts. Tooooooo many! There is no justification for the poor level of ball security. Dawn,go away I'm no good for you, Staley has a team that appears to make it a priority to minimize turnovers without forfeiting alot of points. No excuse for, as Pat would say, not valuing each possession.

Ok. Pats last National Championship team that included all of the WNBA draft picks, AKA Candace and Company averaged 16.4 Turnovers per game. We currently average 16.8. We can agree to disagree, but that was a team that hunted paint points and got a lot of them, they moved up and down the court very quickly to put opponents on their heels and score off of the fast break regularly. Our fast break points and free throw shooting won us that game last night. (The presence of Tamari Key had a lot to do with it too). We were 25-12 advantage on the Fast break points which is being aggressive down the court where turnovers tend to happen and getting to the paint where the fouls tend to happen more. We had the free-throw advantage 24 of 30 whereas Auburn was 13 of 16. Both are attributes of an aggressive offensive team.

 

[RAVOL]

The next step for Key to make is offensive rebounds. She needs to pick up 6 easy points a game here. She had definitely got herself in better shape and if she continues trajectory through season bodes well for our Tournament Run. In CHRIST Alone

 

[Vol4gzus]

Ok. Pats last National Championship team that included all of the WNBA draft picks, AKA Candace and Company averaged 16.4 Turnovers per game. We currently average 16.8. We can agree to disagree, but that was a team that hunted paint points and got a lot of them, they moved up and down the court very quickly to put opponents on their heels and score off of the fast break regularly. Our fast break points and free throw shooting won us that game last night. (The presence of Tamari Key had a lot to do with it too). We were 25-12 advantage on the Fast break points which is being aggressive down the court where turnovers tend to happen and getting to the paint where the fouls tend to happen more. We had the free-throw advantage 24 of 30 whereas Auburn was 13 of 16. Both are attributes of an aggressive offensive team.

Those teams actually played good defense as well. We didn't have our guards continually beat on a dribble drive for layups. Keep reaching ,but there is no excuse for poor defense and a major lack of ball security. Our guards of recent Kellie Era have been slow enough that the opposition blows by them frequently. Obviously Tamari being healthy and on the court with low # of fouls can help remedy that to a point. Recent guards have come to us after injury at prior school. New 4* from Vegas area will be coming in after injury. Those injuries may be that half step an opponent needs to go by for an easy layup. So saying ,apparently, it's ok to have this issue because others do as well. Try that with a boss at work and see how that won't fly.

 

[Dak1219]

Those teams actually played good defense as well. We didn't have our guards continually beat on a dribble drive for layups. Keep reaching ,but there is no excuse for poor defense and a major lack of ball security. Our guards of recent Kellie Era have been slow enough that the opposition blows by them frequently. Obviously Tamari being healthy and on the court with low # of fouls can help remedy that to a point. Recent guards have come to us after injury at prior school. New 4* from Vegas area will be coming in after injury. Those injuries may be that half step an opponent needs to go by for an easy layup. So saying ,apparently, it's ok to have this issue because others do as well. Try that with a boss at work and see how that won't fly.

The only other team in the SEC that turns teams over at a rate like Auburn is LSU. You are cherry-picking this game. We had 23 turnovers and they turn teams over at an average of 22.1. We did hold them to 25% shooting in the second half and 33% overall. Key can't do all of that although she affects it. Rules have been changed over the years to allow for better offense. Pat's teams used to be able to put two hands on the body and basically push players out. The stronger more physical team was going to always win and look like the better defensive team and that was generally Tennessee. Auburn just beat a ranked Washington State team. The difference was WSU gave up a 42% shooting percentage against them. Turnovers for WSU was 20 and they only average 15.2 TO's per game. Every team does things differently to win and Auburns bread and butter is turning teams over. I don't think LSU forced turnovers should count due to the lack of competition they have played so we have probably already seen the best team at that in the SEC.

 

[Vol4gzus]

The only other team in the SEC that turns teams over at a rate like Auburn is LSU. You are cherry-picking this game. We had 23 turnovers and they turn teams over at an average of 22.1. We did hold them to 25% shooting in the second half and 33% overall. Key can't do all of that although she affects it. Rules have been changed over the years to allow for better offense. Pat's teams used to be able to put two hands on the body and basically push players out. The stronger more physical team was going to always win and look like the better defensive team and that was generally Tennessee. Auburn just beat a ranked Washington State team. The difference was WSU gave up a 42% shooting percentage against them. Turnovers for WSU was 20 and they only average 15.2 TO's per game. Every team does things differently to win and Auburns bread and butter is turning teams over. I don't think LSU forced turnovers should count due to the lack of competition they have played so we have probably already seen the best team at that in the SEC.

Oh stop please..i give in I'm wrong and you are obviously the champion of analytics...oh poor, poor pitiful me...."woe is me I'm undone." Still no true defense for our ridiculous numbers. No offer of a solution. Just accept as "everybody is doing it." I don't concede because it's not your right and I'm wrong. It's simply an immovable force that is relentless in its defense of position/take on a perception of always right and others, apparently be darned. goodday Dak!

 

[madtownvol]

Ok. Pats last National Championship team that included all of the WNBA draft picks, AKA Candace and Company averaged 16.4 Turnovers per game. We currently average 16.8. We can agree to disagree, but that was a team that hunted paint points and got a lot of them, they moved up and down the court very quickly to put opponents on their heels and score off of the fast break regularly. Our fast break points and free throw shooting won us that game last night. (The presence of Tamari Key had a lot to do with it too). We were 25-12 advantage on the Fast break points which is being aggressive down the court where turnovers tend to happen and getting to the paint where the fouls tend to happen more. We had the free-throw advantage 24 of 30 whereas Auburn was 13 of 16. Both are attributes of an aggressive offensive team.

It has been a lot of years but if i recall correctly, the Candace squad tended to have turnovers in fast break situations where there errant passes or charges (though Lex Hornbuckle would force a ill-advised passes from time to time.

If this team's turnovers were of that variety, no problem really. But, their TOs tend to be in half court possessions where bad passes are made or our guards get their pockets picked.

The recurrent TOs in first half against Auburn was crippling but they brought the number down to a more reasonable level in the 2nd half.

So, TOs are a problem; fixing it is the thorny issue. People say that Kellie "accepts" TOs and to some extent that is true. If she started yanking Powell or Wynn or Puckett every time they turned the ball over, players would become incredibly risk averse, maknig a bad situation worse.

I think the main answer is the for the team to just keep working on off ball movement so that the player with the ball has better options and not getting nervous and rushed when teams apply pressure,

 

[dapeak]

Kellie knows her best lineup includes Rickea/TK/Jill and a combination of Powell/Kaiya/Jewel. She just doesn’t wanna fully admit it. Last presser she said it’s probably her best group defensively but sometimes it won’t work with spacing depending on matchup. That’s a lie.

Jill/Rickea/Jazz/Jewel all have range. Kaiya even has an expanding range.

 

[madtownvol]

Kellie knows her best lineup includes Rickea/TK/Jill and a combination of Powell/Kaiya/Jewel. She just doesn’t wanna fully admit it. Last presser she said it’s probably her best group defensively but sometimes it won’t work with spacing depending on matchup. That’s a lie.

Jill/Rickea/Jazz/Jewel all have range. Kaiya even has an expanding range.

Yes, Kellie is the most diabolical woman on the planet. The treachery and deceit runs deep.

It simply could not be that "her best" line-up might vary depending on opponent match-ups. No. she must be up to some nefarious game of deception. that serves some ill-begotten purpose. BWAHAHAHAHA....

 

[Coach Jumper]

. . . So, TOs are a problem; fixing it is the thorny issue. People say that Kellie "accepts" TOs and to some extent that is true. If she started yanking Powell or Wynn or Puckett every time they turned the ball over, players would become incredibly risk averse, maknig a bad situation worse.

Agree within reason
high turnovers with a high assist rate as well can be acceptable if the turnovers are forced.
It is high turnovers the are unforced that kills a team

I tell my players, "dot every stat column",,,doing so shows you played the whole game
if you play good defense, you will have fouls,,,and steals
if you distribute the ball a lot, you will have to's,,,and assists
Dot every stat column

 

[Dak1219]

Oh stop please..i give in I'm wrong and you are obviously the champion of analytics...oh poor, poor pitiful me...."woe is me I'm undone." Still no true defense for our ridiculous numbers. No offer of a solution. Just accept as "everybody is doing it." I don't concede because it's not your right and I'm wrong. It's simply an immovable force that is relentless in its defense of position/take on a perception of always right and others, apparently be darned. goodday Dak!

You as well....

 

[glv98]

It has been a lot of years but if i recall correctly, the Candace squad tended to have turnovers in fast break situations where there errant passes or charges (though Lex Hornbuckle would force a ill-advised passes from time to time.

If this team's turnovers were of that variety, no problem really. But, their TOs tend to be in half court possessions where bad passes are made or our guards get their pockets picked.

The recurrent TOs in first half against Auburn was crippling but they brought the number down to a more reasonable level in the 2nd half.

So, TOs are a problem; fixing it is the thorny issue. People say that Kellie "accepts" TOs and to some extent that is true. If she started yanking Powell or Wynn or Puckett every time they turned the ball over, players would become incredibly risk averse, maknig a bad situation worse.

I think the main answer is the for the team to just keep working on off ball movement so that the player with the ball has better options and not getting nervous and rushed when teams apply pressure,

This. Exactly. So many bad passes and pocket picks due to bad offensive movement, bad spacing, lack of offensive poise. This has plagued the LVs throughout the KJH era (and before) and is absolutely not OK, No explaining these away keeps them from being the major stumbling block for the LVs.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

Auburn has averaged 22.1 against all teams they have played this year. That is their Identity. We had 23 and most were dead-ball turnovers being aggressive to the basket. Aggressive teams tend to have more turnovers. That includes your Uconn's of the world and yes, some of Pat Summitt's more aggressive offensive teams. We currently average 16.8 turnovers per game playing a much tougher schedule than Say LSU. LSU averages 15.3 turnovers per game. Both Teams have offenses that are aggressive to the rim meant to put opponents on their heels. Turnovers will happen.

Yes, but many of our turn overs by the cards are simply mishandling the ball. They dribble off their knees, dribble the ball way to far away from their body and get their feet tangle up. They throw passes across the court with defenders in between them and the intended target. They simply do not protect the ball as well as they should.

 

[dapeak]

Yes, Kellie is the most diabolical woman on the planet. The treachery and deceit runs deep.

It simply could not be that "her best" line-up might vary depending on opponent match-ups. No. she must be up to some nefarious game of deception. that serves some ill-begotten purpose. BWAHAHAHAHA....

Long as we agree.