Kicker removed from USC for assaulting girlfriend who adamantly denies it happened

[m1al]

Califrigginfornia..

Progressives all over the country wipe their ass with the flag, throw it on the floor, kneel on it, face Cali and pray to their PC Gods......

 

[onevol74]

I am not sure. but aren't they a private school? ban him from campus i can see

IIRC, USC is a private school.

 

[Pappy]

The animosity the left has created for those born with a penis is disturbing.

not to be confused with those that have been added surgically...lol:

 

[UT_Tix79]

What likely happened is there was a fight, neighbor sees the fight, and tells someone. The girl then tries to cover for her man by saying it was only roughhousing and nothing happened.

How many times have you seen domestic violence people claim nothing happened when they're afraid their partner is going to get in trouble.

The school did an investigation, and deemed it true. That's enough for me, because in all honesty, it's probably 100% true.

Oh this black eye and bruises? I fell into a door again, I'm so clumsy

 

[Madscientistvol]

What likely happened is there was a fight, neighbor sees the fight, and tells someone. The girl then tries to cover for her man by saying it was only roughhousing and nothing happened.

How many times have you seen domestic violence people claim nothing happened when they're afraid their partner is going to get in trouble.

The school did an investigation, and deemed it true. That's enough for me, because in all honesty, it's probably 100% true.

Oh this black eye and bruises? I fell into a door again, I'm so clumsy

What's likely also is that what she's saying is true and her boyfriend has been railroaded and she's being stereotyped into a victim.

 

[UT_Tix79]

Which is more likely? A guy and his girlfriend fight and they don't want him to get in trouble and change their story.

Or everyone is telling the truth and the school after doing an investigation said screw the evidence...

I can promise you, being in the medical field, I have seen hundreds of people back their partner even when they had been abused, people that would redact their stories about abuse, and people that would even go in front of the judge and claim they lied about the abuse to get the judge to drop the case.

But sure, these people you have never met, and only heard one side of the story, are 100% telling the truth and the big bad school is totally out to get them...

 

[volfannbama]

Which is more likely? A guy and his girlfriend fight and they don't want him to get in trouble and change their story.

Or everyone is telling the truth and the school after doing an investigation said screw the evidence...

I can promise you, being in the medical field, I have seen hundreds of people back their partner even when they had been abused, people that would redact their stories about abuse, and people that would even go in front of the judge and claim they lied about the abuse to get the judge to drop the case.

But sure, these people you have never met, and only heard one side of the story, are 100% telling the truth and the big bad school is totally out to get them...

Im a police officer. DV calls are almost like clockwork. Fight, arrest, show up in court holding hands and blame the officer. Not all of course, but a good portion of them are just like that. Its a sad situation really.

 

[YankeeVol]

Which is more likely? A guy and his girlfriend fight and they don't want him to get in trouble and change their story.

Or everyone is telling the truth and the school after doing an investigation said screw the evidence...

I can promise you, being in the medical field, I have seen hundreds of people back their partner even when they had been abused, people that would redact their stories about abuse, and people that would even go in front of the judge and claim they lied about the abuse to get the judge to drop the case.

But sure, these people you have never met, and only heard one side of the story, are 100% telling the truth and the big bad school is totally out to get them...

Just because you've seen it 99 times doesn't meant the 100th is the same.

But because you've seen it so much, you're already jumping to conclusions just like everyone else.

 

[butchna]

Which is more likely? A guy and his girlfriend fight and they don't want him to get in trouble and change their story.

Or everyone is telling the truth and the school after doing an investigation said screw the evidence...

I can promise you, being in the medical field, I have seen hundreds of people back their partner even when they had been abused, people that would redact their stories about abuse, and people that would even go in front of the judge and claim they lied about the abuse to get the judge to drop the case.

But sure, these people you have never met, and only heard one side of the story, are 100% telling the truth and the big bad school is totally out to get them...

Or vice versa. ANYONE examine her and document signs of abuse? Or did they take the neighbor's word on that, also?

 

[WilliamDuVOL]

Title IX puts the schools in an untenable situation. Even if the girlfriend says that nothing happened, and defends him to the ends of the earth, the school cannot take the risk that she might be a battered woman, and the "abuse" might happen again. Title IX makes it impossible to take Boermeester or the girlfriend at their words. Boermeester might sue the school and they'll probably come to a tidy settlement with him, but it's a small price to pay to avoid the potential disaster that probably doesn't even exist.

While I agree with you in principal, in both that the school is avoiding a potential risk and cannot take either of them at their word, I find it atrocious for two reasons:

1. They literally are, without any knowledge other than hearsay, determining that both the "plaintiff" and "defendant" are both lying, and siding with one based on nothing in order to protect their own image.

2. They should be nowhere near this case, and police should handle it. The most the school should do is prohibit him from whatever team activities they deem fit, disallow them from communicating if they deem fit, and provide her any protections she asks for. Beyond that, the school should leave all investigation and final judgement to those whom the job belongs officially.

 

[WilliamDuVOL]

What likely happened is there was a fight, neighbor sees the fight, and tells someone. The girl then tries to cover for her man by saying it was only roughhousing and nothing happened.

How many times have you seen domestic violence people claim nothing happened when they're afraid their partner is going to get in trouble.

The school did an investigation, and deemed it true. That's enough for me, because in all honesty, it's probably 100% true.

Oh this black eye and bruises? I fell into a door again, I'm so clumsy

I've seen no allegations that she had any bruises, anywhere, unless I missed something.

 

[bigdaddy]

Universities aren't equipped to handle sex assault domestic violence investigations. They aren't even using the criminal standard of beyond a reasonable doubt but instead the use propensity of evidence or opinion of the council. Title 9 is a joke now and needs to be amended or destroyed.

 

[bigdaddy]

I've seen no allegations that she had any bruises, anywhere, unless I missed something.

Exactly, they both said it was playful as well as the first witness. This is a total cover their ass by the university and this is happening to all students at every campus. It's a freaking mess

 

[bamawriter]

While I agree with you in principal, in both that the school is avoiding a potential risk and cannot take either of them at their word, I find it atrocious for two reasons:

1. They literally are, without any knowledge other than hearsay, determining that both the "plaintiff" and "defendant" are both lying, and siding with one based on nothing in order to protect their own image.

2. They should be nowhere near this case, and police should handle it. The most the school should do is prohibit him from whatever team activities they deem fit, disallow them from communicating if they deem fit, and provide her any protections she asks for. Beyond that, the school should leave all investigation and final judgement to those whom the job belongs officially.

I agree with all of that. But Title IX says the schools cannot simply let the police handle it, and as such they get boxed into a situation where deciding against the accused is the only practical option.

 

[WilliamDuVOL]

I agree with all of that. But Title IX says the schools cannot simply let the police handle it, and as such they get boxed into a situation where deciding against the accused is the only practical option.

Amazing isn't it? In the name of protecting women, we've made absolutely certain that it is virtually impossible to seek real justice and truth.

 

[DancingOutlaw]

Im a police officer. DV calls are almost like clockwork. Fight, arrest, show up in court holding hands and blame the officer. Not all of course, but a good portion of them are just like that. Its a sad situation really.

Except no one called the cops, no one was arrested, and neither party accused the other of doing something.

The feminists should be all over this, just another example of the patriarchal system mansplaining to a woman that she's too dumb to figure things out on her own. She's a victim because they say she is.

I do feel this is going to be the default position moving forward. A school would much rather deal with a lawsuit from a single student than a Title 9 fiasco. It's safer to railroad this kid than to be accused of fostering a culture of abuse or whatever claim the govt can make.

 

[volfannbama]

Except no one called the cops, no one was arrested, and neither party accused the other of doing something.

The feminists should be all over this, just another example of the patriarchal system mansplaining to a woman that she's too dumb to figure things out on her own. She's a victim because they say she is.

I do feel this is going to be the default position moving forward. A school would much rather deal with a lawsuit from a single student than a Title 9 fiasco. It's safer to railroad this kid than to be accused of fostering a culture of abuse or whatever claim the govt can make.

Well, title 9 shouldnt exist. A university investigation should only exist secondary to an actual criminal i investigation. In this case, police involved or not, i believe that is an accurate account of a large portion of DV calls, especially with young couples.

 

[LouderVol]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/12/wayne-klocke-files-lawsuit-against-university-of-a/
and there was the kid at Texas who killed himself. family is now suing about due process.

 

[Madscientistvol]

Except no one called the cops, no one was arrested, and neither party accused the other of doing something.

The feminists should be all over this, just another example of the patriarchal system mansplaining to a woman that she's too dumb to figure things out on her own. She's a victim because they say she is.

I do feel this is going to be the default position moving forward. A school would much rather deal with a lawsuit from a single student than a Title 9 fiasco. It's safer to railroad this kid than to be accused of fostering a culture of abuse or whatever claim the govt can make.

Yep, it's sexist on both ends. Guilty until proven innocent, and victim until proven no crime did occur.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

The element of Title IX that jars our sensibilities most is the lack of due process.

Our nation's entire legal system, which is the skeletal structure of our society, is based on that one simple concept. Due process. Innocent until proven guilty.

And yet, Title IX as constructed, interpreted and applied today ignores those basic values. It goes against the basic tenets of American jurisprudence. And people's lives are being affected in big, permanent ways. Both men and women.

Something will have to change. Our society can not long endure this assault on its foundational concepts.

Due process is the legal requirement that the state must respect all legal rights that are owed to a person. Due process balances the power of law of the land and protects the individual person from it. When a government harms a person without following the exact course of the law, this constitutes a due process violation, which offends the rule of law.