Kiff-Daddy at it again

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"Kiff-Daddy"

I don't even know which synical, profanity laden remark to use.
 
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I'm surprised "Universty physicians" can give prescription drugs to kids. The drug itself has its implications and I think in given circumstances, is an amazing tool for pain. But if what the article says is true (who knows?), USC is in for some trouble. Even if there's no correlation between the student's heart attack and the medication, that no elevated risk was discussed with him prior to its administration is very lawsuit worthy.
 
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VolFan4Life87 said:
I'm surprised "Universty physicians" can give prescription drugs to kids. The drug itself has its implications and I think in given circumstances, is an amazing tool for pain. But if what the article says is true (who knows?), USC is in for some trouble. Even if there's no correlation between the student's heart attack and the medication, that no elevated risk was discussed with him prior to its administration is very lawsuit worthy.
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They are not kids - legally speaking anyway. They are able to make their own decisions regarding their health. That said, I agree that if there was some non-disclosure about the effects going on, I can see some liability.

I wouldn't be pointing the finger at Kiffin too quickly though. It sounds like it is fairly commonplace. There may have been Vols on the field shot up with the stuff.
 
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Most drugs have risks of side effects as we know. Just have to way the risks and benefits. Toradol is a very good pain killer for those that need it.
 
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VolFan4Life87 said:
I'm surprised "Universty physicians" can give prescription drugs to kids. The drug itself has its implications and I think in given circumstances, is an amazing tool for pain. But if what the article says is true (who knows?), USC is in for some trouble. Even if there's no correlation between the student's heart attack and the medication, that no elevated risk was discussed with him prior to its administration is very lawsuit worthy.
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I agree with everything you said and think the use of this drug for a player to play through pain is reckless and dangerous.

That said, I don't understand why you put "University physicians" in italics. These team doctors went through the same medical schools and residency training as every other doctor you've ever met. Your average team physician at a major program is probably more qualified than any doctor most of us have seen. However, the real question is whether they always act in the best interest of their patients (doubtful) or in the best interest of the teams. Doctor's loyalty is first and foremost to the welfare of their patient, but these team doctors often face pressure from outside that relationship that is a major conflict of interest. This sort of relationship is a bit of bastardization of what medicine should be. The doctor-patient relationship should be all that there is, but in this case, both the doctor and the patient are underlings of the same possibly powerful football team. One can easily see how that could quickly lend to some bad situations. I wouldn't practice in that type of situation.
 
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BigOrangeD said:
Most drugs have risks of side effects as we know. Just have to way the risks and benefits. Toradol is a very good pain killer for those that need it.
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Most people in medicine are going to agree with that statement, then say "but if you are in enough pain to require toradol, you shouldn't be on a football field." Powerful pain medications are used to lessen suffering while recovering, not to remove the obstacle of pain telling you that you shouldn't be playing a violent sport until your body is ready.
 
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VolFan4Life87 said:
I'm surprised "Universty physicians" can give prescription drugs to kids. The drug itself has its implications and I think in given circumstances, is an amazing tool for pain. But if what the article says is true (who knows?), USC is in for some trouble. Even if there's no correlation between the student's heart attack and the medication, that no elevated risk was discussed with him prior to its administration is very lawsuit worthy.
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I have to disagree with the article calling Toradol powerful! I have kidney stones on a regular basis and have been given Toradol and found it not nearly strong enough!
 
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bg1968 said:
I have to disagree with the article calling Toradol powerful! I have kidney stones on a regular basis and have been given Toradol and found it not nearly strong enough!
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Yes, when I looked it up it said it was an anti inflammatory drug, not a powerful painkiller as the article states.
 
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first of all im not sure UT doesnt use this pain med, so it wouldnt be fair to toss stones at CLK.
Also how much is the head coach involved in the pain treatment of his players. Do the docs prescribe this or the HC's? My guess is the docs do. I mean i know in varsity blues the coach told them to inject the players
 
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velovol said:
first of all im not sure UT doesnt use this pain med, so it wouldnt be fair to toss stones at CLK.
Also how much is the head coach involved in the pain treatment of his players. Do the docs prescribe this or the HC's? My guess is the docs do. I mean i know in varsity blues the coach told them to inject the players
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Because movies are real.:lolabove:
 
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Glass houses people.

Remember the little expose' on ESPN with Ainge?? Didn't shine too brightly on UT.

Unfortunately pain killers are a staple inside locker rooms everywhere, but it's easy to want to vilify Kiffin and say he's the only one doing it....right?
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
They are not kids - legally speaking anyway. They are able to make their own decisions regarding their health. That said, I agree that if there was some non-disclosure about the effects going on, I can see some liability.

I wouldn't be pointing the finger at Kiffin too quickly though. It sounds like it is fairly commonplace. There may have been Vols on the field shot up with the stuff.
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Couldn't agree more. And like you said, it's the claimed non-disclosure that (if valid) will land USC (not sure who individually) in a lot of trouble.
 
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dlw4n said:
I agree with everything you said and think the use of this drug for a player to play through pain is reckless and dangerous.

That said, I don't understand why you put "University physicians" in italics. These team doctors went through the same medical schools and residency training as every other doctor you've ever met. Your average team physician at a major program is probably more qualified than any doctor most of us have seen. However, the real question is whether they always act in the best interest of their patients (doubtful) or in the best interest of the teams. Doctor's loyalty is first and foremost to the welfare of their patient, but these team doctors often face pressure from outside that relationship that is a major conflict of interest. This sort of relationship is a bit of bastardization of what medicine should be. The doctor-patient relationship should be all that there is, but in this case, both the doctor and the patient are underlings of the same possibly powerful football team. One can easily see how that could quickly lend to some bad situations. I wouldn't practice in that type of situation.
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You answered your own question:good!: I would think there's a conflict of interest present. Wasn't an attack on their qualifications.
 
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vflgolfer said:
Yes, when I looked it up it said it was an anti inflammatory drug, not a powerful painkiller as the article states.
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bg1968 said:
I have to disagree with the article calling Toradol powerful! I have kidney stones on a regular basis and have been given Toradol and found it not nearly strong enough!
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It's an NSAID not a narcotic (like morphine or oxy), but it is used in many of the same cases as the lower level narcotics. While there are plenty of things more powerful than this, we aren't talking about two aleve for a headache in this case. As for kidney stones, that sucks dude; however, just short of knocking you out that's gonna be a bad day regardless...I'm not surprised you'd want more than toradol. I would too.
 
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VolFan4Life87 said:
You answered your own question:good!: I would think there's a conflict of interest present. Wasn't an attack on their qualifications.
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Cool then...we see eye to eye on this. Honestly, these players should be seen by a third party who has no affiliation with the team. That's never going to happen though. I think this is some problem at the pro level too, but at that level players and agents have usually learned to protect themselves. They also have the money and prestige to get second opinions from the best in the field at their own choosing. College kids are pretty vulnerable, especially if they are pressured by their coaches or just simply not given the information and options to make an informed decision by the doctors.
 
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