Knechts NBA comp

#26
#26
Harrison Barnes is a decent comp. HB's a little bigger than Knecht, but the Warriors drafted him so they could have size, rebounding, and athleticism at the 3. He's a 4 now, but Knecht could totally be used the way that Barnes was used by them. He gives up a little size, but he's the better shooter and might actually be the better rebounder. I think Barnes might move his feet a little better, but I think Knecht runs the floor better and is scarier in transition.
 
#27
#27
Harrison Barnes is a decent comp. HB's a little bigger than Knecht, but the Warriors drafted him so they could have size, rebounding, and athleticism at the 3. He's a 4 now, but Knecht could totally be used the way that Barnes was used by them. He gives up a little size, but he's the better shooter and might actually be the better rebounder. I think Barnes might move his feet a little better, but I think Knecht runs the floor better and is scarier in transition.
That’s not a bad comparison. I do think Knecht has a higher ceiling than Barnes has ever had though.
 
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If he is anything close to GR in the NBA, then that would be a major success.

So thing is even if he plays every bit as well as Glenn Rice, it wouldn't be as successful in today's NBA. I think the version of GR we saw would get cooked defensively in this era and I also don't think his bag was expansive enough to be an MVP candidate in this era. Sure, a Glenn Rice growing up in this era would have better tricks. I'm just talking about the real-world Glenn Rice that existed.
 
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I thought this whole time people were meaning Bojan Bogdanovic, but you're saying Bogdan Boganvic. I go the otherway. Even though he's 6' 8", it's Bojan. Knecht plays about as big as Bojan does. 6' 5" Bogdan doesn't even play as big as he is.

And Knecht is more explosive than either of them.
 
#33
#33
Knecht isn't sneaky athletic... The dude is freakishly athletic and it's apparent right away. Triple-level threat and consistently makes very difficult jumpers. I don't have a white guy comp for him
 
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So thing is even if he plays every bit as well as Glenn Rice, it wouldn't be as successful in today's NBA. I think the version of GR we saw would get cooked defensively in this era and I also don't think his bag was expansive enough to be an MVP candidate in this era. Sure, a Glenn Rice growing up in this era would have better tricks. I'm just talking about the real-world Glenn Rice that existed.
Well
GR played 14 years in the NBA IIRC. You may be right about his defense but man his offensive game imo would be more than good enough in the modern NBA to keep him hanging around for at least a decade. There was about a seven year stretch where he averaged around 20 PPG against some great competition in the 90s. I still remember watching GR drop 56 on Shaq's Magic squad back in the mid 90s.
 
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Well
GR played 14 years in the NBA IIRC. You may be right about his defense but man his offensive game imo would be more than good enough in the modern NBA to keep him hanging around for at least a decade. There was about a seven year stretch where he averaged around 20 PPG against some great competition in the 90s. I still remember watching GR drop 56 on Shaq's Magic squad back in the mid 90s.

For sure, he's good enough to be a good player in today's NBA, but an MVP candidate? Nobody with a Glenn Rice type of game is an MVP candidate these days. You pretty much gotta be running offense to get in on the MVP convo. Rice was off-ball. KD was the only off-ball guy this year (one 5th place vote), and GR is not KD. No off-ball guys last year (out of 12).
 
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For sure, he's good enough to be a good player in today's NBA, but an MVP candidate? Nobody with a Glenn Rice type of game is an MVP candidate these days. You pretty much gotta be running offense to get in on the MVP convo. Rice was off-ball. KD was the only off-ball guy this year (one 5th place vote), and GR is not KD. No off-ball guys last year (out of 12).
Agreed, he would never be MVP candidate.
 
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It's been spoken about a few times in the threads but I figured I'd throw it out here as a separate one because it really interested me a lot. I have been thinking about it for months and its really hard because he is really unique. At firs I was thinking someone like JJ Reddick and Austin Reeves or even Alex Caruso but none of those really fit. Knecht is a really unique player if you look at his playstyle, physical makeup and skillset. I finally came to it. Dan Marjerle. Down to the the size and probably draft position also drafted as a senior 6-6 215 from midwest (lets not quibble I know DK is from Colorado but he went to college in north dakota and the only reason (Colorado is not part of the midwest officially is probably they didn't want any more flyover states.) . Sneaky athletic, great shooter, okayish defender, better off the ball and will dunk on your tail any chance you give him.
DK brings his own unique skillset to the NBA and does not have a comparable player who is already in the league.
 
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I like a good comparison game. Said it a few months ago and stickin with it.... Khris Middleton. imo
 
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#41
McGrady is one of the best offensive players of all-time. Calm your t's over there, haha.

TMac is one of the 10 most talented guys ever and I also think his career is pretty overrated. Lots of points but he was so bad with shot selection and he didn't have killer in him. He had the physical tools to be an elite defender and he never was.

You put Jalen Brunson's brain and heart in TMac's body and he's the best player all time.
 
#42
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DK brings his own unique skillset to the NBA and does not have a comparable player who is already in the league.
Not current but Thunder Dan might be his secret daddy. That's my point. I get the feeling I'm not talking to many/any in this thread that watched the NBA in the early 90s. here's some help

 
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TMac is one of the 10 most talented guys ever and I also think his career is pretty overrated. Lots of points but he was so bad with shot selection and he didn't have killer in him. He had the physical tools to be an elite defender and he never was.

You put Jalen Brunson's brain and heart in TMac's body and he's the best player all time.
Might need Brunson’s knees too. TMac got that injury bug bad
 
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I like how you snipped out one part of my post to frame your conversation. (TLDR version) I said I was looking at contemporary players to find a comp and realized there wasn't one. I am 50 years old so all it took was to look back a bit further. The whole point is that DK is a very unique player.

Secondly I did not pick out random white guys. I could have said Larry Bird, John Stockton, Detlef Shcrmph.. That would be me picking random white guys. DK's game is unique. It just so happens that the guys he plays most like tend to have the same complexion... but at the same time not. I think Dan Majerle is a very good comp if you think that's wrong please elucidate us and point out the flaw in it and give your non-random white guy comp or step off.

It gets so tiresome when people constantly come in and someone actually puts some thought into their posts then someone just replies with some random nah I hate it because I didn't like this one word or one part but don't bring anything constructive to the conversation. It is extremely hard to do comps of guys without falling into racial traps that folks wanna set. The thing is there is a reason. Until very recently how people play basketball has almost always followed cultural lines. White Black, American, European etc because the world was a lot smaller back then. Kids in South Dakota didn't have a lot of exposure to streetball. Rural kids didn't play like urban kids. Europeans didn't play like Americans. Hell Guys from Cali and NY played totally different ball. It seemed like it was racial divides but the present has proved a bigger factor was culture and exposure. genetics play a part but culture and exposure play a bigger role in skill-based sports. Basketball is a lot more skill-based than most other major sports. Pure athleticism can only take you so far if you don't have work ethics and IQ its not gonna last. While in a sport like Football you can have a full-on long career with 0 football IQ and never learn to play the game (Cordarelle Patterson, Dave Megget, Devin Hester, CJ2000) in the present league its harder to just out-talent your way through the NFL but, its still a thing. the few guys that have done so in the NBA are literally aberrations on the planet for their time. Wilt Chamberlian, Shaq, hell Rodman and Barkley to some extent. These were guys that were physical outliers in the game.

If Zach Edey was born in 1980 or 1990 history is a lot different. I actually think he is the answer to the question could Shaq survive in today's game. I think Shaq was slightly more athletic in his younger years but edey's athleticism matches up better with the Shaq we saw in LA and Miami more than most want to admit if you factor in those 4 inches. Lets call him the weird alien lovechild of Shaq and Yao. He is much more skilled than Shaq and a much better shooter. Defensively most people misremember Shaq. His first couple years in Orlando he was a lot more athletic and was a lot more active defensively. but most of his defensive reputation was built on guards and wings wanted nothing to do with going up in that lane with him. He was scary and would whup that arse if you came in there trying to posterize. They just didn't want to try him period. Now had they tried him, who knows. But it was a different game certain levels of aggravated assault were allowed back then in the paint that won't fly today. edey is 90 the offensive threat SHaq was and honestly because of the times he is likely a better defensive player. Edey is not a liability at the end of a close game because you cant hack an Edey. He also has proven he can shoot past the paint. this is Shaqs career shot chart(Shaquille O'neal Career Shot Chart | StatMuse) over 80% of his shots came in the paint he shot about 35% outside the paint and rarely tried (about 1900 of his career 13k or so shots) happened outside the paint. TLDR he did not have an 8 footer much less a 12 footer. Edey is not a big midrange/3-point shooter but he has shown he can make those shots he's just never been asked to. The bar Shaq set is so low.

I know that all seems like a huge tangent to nowhere but it is there because times are a-changing. People are taking the lazy route and calling Edey a slow white boy or even the most generous call him a slow big man. Compared to guys almost 100 pounds smaller to him you have a point. But he is 300+ pounds and 7'5 legit. He moves like a guy 6'10 that's insane. If Andre Drumond was 7'5 wit the same skillset and athleticism profile he'd still be playing serious minutes in the league. Edey is a 7'5 Drummond. I the NBA measurements make a lot more difference than you think If you are 6'10 with a 6'9 wingspan... undrafted 6-7 with a 6'9 wingspan teams are drooling. There are point guards that go from first round to late 2nd because their hands were 1/4 inch smaller than expected.
Is there no limit to the length of a post? Did anyone actually read this? It may be accurate, but if I wanted a novel I’d get one.
 
#46
#46
Knecht isn't sneaky athletic... The dude is freakishly athletic and it's apparent right away. Triple-level threat and consistently makes very difficult jumpers.

This is true, and why the closest comp I can come up with is a young Rex Chapman, who was an athletic freak that could score from all three levels. DK might be a better long range shooter, but the ability to get to the rim and finish in various ways, pull up for a mid-range jumper, and make shots from different angles is very similar.

He's a tough comp because he's not, at this point anyway, a textbook 3&D guy, which is what many are predicting for his upside. His athleticism and three-level scoring ability increases his ceiling IMO. I just hope he ends up in a solid spot like Memphis or preferably San Antonio with Pop and that great young core.
 

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