Knife to a gunfight......

#27
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Vols5150 said:
Yep, we did it again. Brought a butter knife to the SEC gunfight.

1st Tier Nick Saban, Les Miles

2nd Tier Steve Spurrier, Mark Richt

3rd Tier Kevin Sumlin, Will Muschamp,
Bret Bielema

4th Tier Gary Pinkel, Dan Mullen, James Franklin,
Hugh Freeze, Gus Malzahn,
Butch Jones, Mark Stoops

None of the fourth tier coaches will ever compete for the






SEC title. And that's just the way it is. Obviously the
program itself (not just the HC running it) has a lot to do
with it, but UT cemented it's place for years to come. Sad,
but true.
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This is a perfect illustration of an ignorant member of our fan base. Have you ever watched the NFL? Are you aware the Baltimore Ravens hired a special teams coach? How about Mike Tomlin from the Steelers or Mike Smith from the Falcons? No one at this point knows if Butch Jones will be successful but he's very well thought of in the coaching fraternity and has won at every stop. Give the guy a chance before you make idiotic prognistications.
 
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Vols5150 said:
Yep, we did it again. Brought a butter knife to the SEC gunfight.

1st Tier Nick Saban, Les Miles

2nd Tier Steve Spurrier, Mark Richt

3rd Tier Kevin Sumlin, Will Muschamp,
Bret Bielema

4th Tier Gary Pinkel, Dan Mullen, James Franklin,
Hugh Freeze, Gus Malzahn,
Butch Jones, Mark Stoops

None of the fourth tier coaches will ever compete for the SEC title. And that's just the way it is. Obviously the program itself (not just the HC running it) has a lot to do with it, but UT cemented it's place for years to come. Sad, but true.
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I feel like either of those guys, and possibly Freeze as well could win the SEC at the right job. I agree with you that they won't ever compete for conference crowns at their current posts. They are basically maxing out what both of those programs are historically capable of right now.
 
#31
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Vols5150 said:
Twelve yrs ago you would have a point........SOS is past his prime.....you do recognize that, don't you? Not saying is isn't still a good coach, but he isn't the SOS of yesterday.
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What I recognize is that LSU is a lot easier place to coach football. South Carolina has never been this good.

This is an exaggeration, but put Nick Saban at Middle Tennessee and see if he can compete for a National Championship. Les Miles just rode the Nick Saban wave. Or, more realistic, Les Miles averaged about a 7 win 5 loss season during his tenure at Ok State (immediately prior to LSU). Did he suddenly get smarter when he changed schools?

This has more to do with the situation than how well you coach. If Spurrier was still at Florida, he would still be in contention for a National Championship nearly every year.

In Spurrier's first year at Florida, they won the SEC east but were inelible to participate in bowls due to sanctions. Spurrier's next 11 seasons at Florida culminated 8 times with either a Sugar, Orange, or Fiesta Bowl.

Miles, who inherited a much better situation from Saban, has only taken LSU to one of these bowls 3 times out of 8 years. Very good, but pales compared to Spurrier. Plus, how many games do you ever recall Spurrier making bone-head plays that cost them (or should have cost them) the game? That's hardly the case with Miles.
 
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Vols5150 said:
Yep, we did it again. Brought a butter knife to the SEC gunfight.

1st Tier Nick Saban, Les Miles

2nd Tier Steve Spurrier, Mark Richt

3rd Tier Kevin Sumlin, Will Muschamp,
Bret Bielema

4th Tier Gary Pinkel, Dan Mullen, James Franklin,
Hugh Freeze, Gus Malzahn,
Butch Jones, Mark Stoops

None of the fourth tier coaches will ever compete for the SEC title. And that's just the way it is. Obviously the program itself (not just the HC running it) has a lot to do with it, but UT cemented it's place for years to come. Sad, but true.
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Fool.
 
#35
#35
bleedorange0037 said:
I feel like either of those guys, and possibly Freeze as well could win the SEC at the right job. I agree with you that they won't ever compete for conference crowns at their current posts. They are basically maxing out what both of those programs are historically capable of right now.
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great point.
 
#36
#36
utvolpj said:
someone definitely is
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This was bound to happen unless we got a consensus A-list hire. To be honest, I'm not even upset even though I believe this was a deathblow to any hope of championship level football at UTK for the next decade or so. I'm really close to being all out of give a damn.
 
#37
#37
Vols5150 said:
Yep, we did it again. Brought a butter knife to the SEC gunfight.

1st Tier Nick Saban, Les Miles

2nd Tier Steve Spurrier, Mark Richt

3rd Tier Kevin Sumlin, Will Muschamp,
Bret Bielema

4th Tier Gary Pinkel, Dan Mullen, James Franklin,
Hugh Freeze, Gus Malzahn,
Butch Jones, Mark Stoops

None of the fourth tier coaches will ever compete for the SEC title. And that's just the way it is. Obviously the program itself (not just the HC running it) has a lot to do with it, but UT cemented it's place for years to come. Sad, but true.
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Of the first and second tier coaches you have listed, how many won championships of any conference before they became a head coach in the SEC? Look it up and you might be surprised that it is 1. Steve Spurrier had an ACC championship. Our new coach has four under his belt. I suggest Vol fans give him a chance.
 
#38
#38
hillsborovol said:
This has more to do with the situation than how well you coach. If Spurrier was still at Florida, he would still be in contention for a National Championship nearly every year.
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It is the "situation" and the COACH! The perfect storm if you will. Problem is, we have a top program but can't even come close on the other half. Surely you remember UF under Zook.
 
#40
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PayingUTKTuition said:
Of the first and second tier coaches you have listed, how many won championships of any conference before they became a head coach in the SEC? Look it up and you might be surprised that it is 1. Steve Spurrier had an ACC championship. Our new coach has four under his belt. I suggest Vol fans give him a chance.
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Here is the point........you are not going to win the SEC AT THIS POINT IN HISTORY with a coach that has training wheels. Ain't gonna happen. Too much coaching talent.
 
#41
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
This was bound to happen unless we got a consensus A-list hire. To be honest, I'm not even upset even though I believe this was a deathblow to any hope of championship level football at UTK for the next decade or so. I'm really close to being all out of give a damn.
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This is pretty much where I stand today. Over the past 10 years I've invested thousands of dollars, and countless hours attending games, and all the other trappings that go with following and supporting a college football team. I'm pretty much at a crossroads wondering why I continue to care SO much and spend so much of my money when it's become readily apparent that the people who are actually in a position to guide this program don't give a rats ass whether this team wins or loses.

If the line has been drawn in the sand by the administration that UT is going to go after the academic goals that Cheek has put forth, athletics be damned, that's fine. I can't really argue with that because at the end of the day UT is an ACADEMIC institution. However, come off this nonsense of charging exorbitant prices for a s*** product. If the decision has been made that we are going to be a 21st century Vanderbilt, where academics is everything and athletics are a distant, distant, distant second, at least have the decency to be upfront with your fanbase. The way this coaching search played out it's starting to look like they don't even work too hard to mask the fact that they aren't even willing to try anymore.
 
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Vols5150 said:
hmmm........where have i heard that before?
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I agree. This is the same garbage we heard when Hamilton wrecked "Dooley-Mania" on us. Though Jones has a winning record, look where it was at. I support the VOLS 100%, but I do not support this hire. Talk about a major disappointment - Hart really pulled one this time.

GBO.......... anyway.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
this is pretty much where i stand today. Over the past 10 years i've invested thousands of dollars, and countless hours attending games, and all the other trappings that go with following and supporting a college football team. I'm pretty much at a crossroads wondering why i continue to care so much and spend so much of my money when it's become readily apparent that the people who are actually in a position to guide this program don't give a rats ass whether this team wins or loses.

If the line has been drawn in the sand by the administration that ut is going to go after the academic goals that cheek has put forth, athletics be damned, that's fine. I can't really argue with that because at the end of the day ut is an academic institution. However, come off this nonsense of charging exorbitant prices for a s*** product. If the decision has been made that we are going to be a 21st century vanderbilt, where academics is everything and athletics are a distant, distant, distant second, at least have the decency to be upfront with your fanbase. The way this coaching search played out it's starting to look like they don't even work too hard to mask the fact that they aren't even willing to try anymore.
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boom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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PayingUTKTuition said:
Of the first and second tier coaches you have listed, how many won championships of any conference before they became a head coach in the SEC? Look it up and you might be surprised that it is 1. Steve Spurrier had an ACC championship. Our new coach has four under his belt. I suggest Vol fans give him a chance.
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Like the coach said its an "Instant Gratification Society" and without a Gruden hire their gruden levels dropped in their blood stream and they are going full blown berserker.

Some wins and we will all look back and laugh at how full blown gruden everyone went.
 
#46
#46
Vols5150 said:
It is the "situation" and the COACH! The perfect storm if you will. Problem is, we have a top program but can't even come close on the other half. Surely you remember UF under Zook.
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I certainly agree with that.

But, if you consider that Florida and LSU are somewhat comparable, then Spurrier did much better than Miles. Oklahoma St was a better football school than South Carolina (pre-Spurrier). Yet, Spurrier's winning percentage at SC is better than Miles' record at Ok State, even though SC is in a much tougher conference than Ok St.

If you put Spurrier and Miles in the same situation, Spurrier would win most of the times. And, back to the original point, Spurrier CERTAINLY isn't in a lower tier of coaching levels that the Mad Hatter. Opponents feared that Spurrier would make them look like fools, while LSU fans fear that Miles will blow a game with his foolish game decisions.
 
#47
#47
bleedorange0037 said:
This is pretty much where I stand today. Over the past 10 years I've invested thousands of dollars, and countless hours attending games, and all the other trappings that go with following and supporting a college football team. I'm pretty much at a crossroads wondering why I continue to care SO much and spend so much of my money when it's become readily apparent that the people who are actually in a position to guide this program don't give a rats ass whether this team wins or loses.

If the line has been drawn in the sand by the administration that UT is going to go after the academic goals that Cheek has put forth, athletics be damned, that's fine. I can't really argue with that because at the end of the day UT is an ACADEMIC institution. However, come off this nonsense of charging exorbitant prices for a s*** product. If the decision has been made that we are going to be a 21st century Vanderbilt, where academics is everything and athletics are a distant, distant, distant second, at least have the decency to be upfront with your fanbase. The way this coaching search played out it's starting to look like they don't even work too hard to mask the fact that they aren't even willing to try anymore.
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Just watch the games for free on your TV like I do. Invest your money in a quality Kegerator and win or lose its still win win for you.
 
#48
#48
FLVOL_79 said:
Like the coach said its an "Instant Gratification Society" and without a Gruden hire their gruden levels dropped in their blood stream and they are going full blown berserker.

Some wins and we will all look back and laugh at how full blown gruden everyone went.
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Gruden is 0-0 as a college coach. There were no guarantees. I never understood the Gruden or bust mentality. Recruiting edge, likely, coaching edge who knows.
 
#49
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Vols5150 said:
Yep, we did it again. Brought a butter knife to the SEC gunfight.

1st Tier Nick Saban, Les Miles

2nd Tier Steve Spurrier, Mark Richt

3rd Tier Kevin Sumlin, Will Muschamp,
Bret Bielema

4th Tier Gary Pinkel, Dan Mullen, James Franklin,
Hugh Freeze, Gus Malzahn,
Butch Jones, Mark Stoops

None of the fourth tier coaches will ever compete for the SEC title. And that's just the way it is. Obviously the program itself (not just the HC running it) has a lot to do with it, but UT cemented it's place for years to come. Sad, but true.
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You are truly a special kind of stupid. First of all the man has yet to coach a single game and already he is a loser in your book. All you can judge him by at this point is his record and I believe he has won at the last two schools where he was the head football coach. Give the guy a break and let's reserve judgment as to which of your tiers he belongs in by what he does here.
 
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Vols5150 said:
Yep, we did it again. Brought a butter knife to the SEC gunfight.

1st Tier Nick Saban, Les Miles

2nd Tier Steve Spurrier, Mark Richt

3rd Tier Kevin Sumlin, Will Muschamp,
Bret Bielema

4th Tier Gary Pinkel, Dan Mullen, James Franklin,
Hugh Freeze, Gus Malzahn,
Butch Jones, Mark Stoops

None of the fourth tier coaches will ever compete for the SEC title. And that's just the way it is. Obviously the program itself (not just the HC running it) has a lot to do with it, but UT cemented it's place for years to come. Sad, but true.
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Go ahead and pull for someone else if you don't support the Vols. That simple bro, That simple.
 
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